Amy Winehouse Dead

[jucyberry]

Personally, I'd rther they got rid of every last gramm of every last substance, my point is, even if they did kids would find something else to get a kick from..

I could name the kids who used to come into the shop, sadly no longer here, and those who are, but are on borrowed time, I could also name some who managed to get clean...

I could also name one who liked the lynx effect..up his nose, and those who spent their teens with their heads in glue bags. Legalising wouldn't as you say make much difference.. More has to be done to educate kids to the dangers, and more should be done to help and support those wanting to get clean..not everyone can afford a stint in the priory after all

Saddest case I know, lovely young girl, really sweet, heroin addict for years finally got clean only to die from a reaction to perscribed medication.. Not an overdose, an allergic reaction. Who knows if in part caused because of her years of abuse.. if roumors are right and Amy was clean, perhaps her poor little body just gave up?

[jucyberry]

You know what is really wierd? The fella lives in I guess you would call it the outskirts of Donny yet knows no one on drugs...

I live in a little village in the back end of Norfolk and can name almost every kind of addict you can think of... Doesn't say much about Heacham really does it?

I'm depressed now.

[DRFC-PERKINS]

You know what is really wierd? The fella lives in I guess you would call it the outskirts of Donny yet knows no one on drugs...

I live in a little village in the back end of Norfolk and can name almost every kind of addict you can think of... Doesn't say much about Heacham really does it?

I'm depressed now.

It is quite deppressing, unfortunately its the world we live in, I work for the mental health services so I hear about people on drugs all the time.

[jucyberry]

The difference is I guess in a village everyone knows everyone else, in a town  you don't get that people keep to themselves.

[DRFC-PERKINS]

Right clearly i've hit a few buttons here, I'll rephrase my point and apologise.
Its safe to say then that the goverment are not winnging the war on drugs, surely then they can do more against it? Even if 10% of the drugs in this country were disposed of it would save thousands of people, which is better for them, rather than them slowly dying/overdosing. It doesn't help that people see these people as scum either and choose to ignore these people.

And agree again jucyberry, people don't tend to give a f**k about anyone else anymore.

Back to orginal point though, she was a great singer, never my cup of tea, thoughts go out to her family.

[jucyberry]

See this is the thing, it is so easy to label these kids, young adults what ever as druggy scum despise them and turn your back. It's understandable, it's a frightening thing. But it doesn't help and it certainly doesn't work like that in the long run. people CAN be manipulated into hard drugs. By all means despise the dealer, and the drugs, but at the end of the day, it costs less to rehabilitate than it does to jail, and the aftermath of drugtaking can lead to mental health issues..
and for me the sad thing is, even if you get clean, unless you cut yourself off completely from your old life, it is so easy to get drawn back in again. for many peope , the only time they are finally free of the addiction is the day that like Amy , they pass away.

[Viking Don]

Get rid of drugs? Don't be daft, they're great fun if used correctly.

Alcohol causes far more deaths and misery than any drugs ever have or ever will. I'm always slightly bemused by folk who are anti-drugs but love a glass or two of wine. Why not call for a ban on alcohol?

[Snods Shinpad 2]

With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin  with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.

The 'legalise drugs' argument is a complete red herring and put forward by people who don't understand economics.

Supposedly, it would bring down prices (until the government slapped excise duties on them and made them expensive again) and supposedly cut down on crimes that fund habits.

Now, if you're a heroin supplier in Pakistan or Afghanistan, or a Columbian cocaine baron - where are you going to want to sell your drugs...cheaply in the UK, or for ten times the profit (and even mote profitably when cut down with crap) in every other country on the planet..?

If the UK announced that all substances were to be legalised, huge multinationals would set up there own supply of raw materials on a huge scale, driving out the need to do business with small producers/criminals. Why would they pay money to crooks when they can buy all the land and pay peanuts to locals themselves? Market forces would also keep prices competitive. People would be far more likely to pop down Tesco for a pound of Afghan hash than go to the hassle of buying it off some backstreet dealer. What would be the point? I'd imagine with the purchasing power of chains like Tesco, the criminals wouldn't even be able to compete.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Possibly with cannabis, that can be grown just about anywhere.

That's not the case with cocaine and heroin, and I can't see the current owners of the land wanting to sell their cash cow to anyone, least of all some company that wants to screw them over. Their massive profits will come from every other country in the world: they won't care about supplying the UK, there'll be no money in it for them, thus the market forces of low supply pushing the price of the cocaine and herion that does get supplied in the UK up. The  multinationals can't undercut when they haven't got any supplies to undercut with - and I can't see them setting up 'legal' production in many countries where the drugs are still illegal...

Plus the current producers' interpretation of a 'hostile takeover' usually involves people getting killed if they threaten their profit margin.

[Snods Shinpad 2]

Ecstacy, speed and cannabis can be produced anywhere. So prices on all the above would be subject to market forces and I would imagine competition would totally eliminate the illegal trade of these drugs in the UK.

Having had a look around t'net apparently Australia, India and Turkey are the major producers of opium for the pharmaceutical industry and I'd imagine a market as big as the UK, if it was to legalise drugs, would look to these countries to supply the raw materials. It also seems growing the plant in controlled conditions in the UK wouldn't be impossible, but would push up the price probably. Again, this would eliminate illegal trade in the UK as competition would ensure prices low enough to make buying from back street dealer pointless.

That leaves just cocaine. Not sure what deal is with the coca plant, but I'd be amazed if it couldn't be grown in a country free of mafia interference. The market to supply the UK would be so large the amount of producers fighting to supply the plant would be intense.
 Again, competition would keep prices low enough to make the illegal trading of it in this country obsolete.

If for whatever reason prices were lower from an illegal dealer (unlikely), the guaranteed quality of the legal product would mean people would pay a premium for it anyway.

It's like alcohol. Maybe people could save a fraction of the price by buying moonshine /home brew from an unauthorised source, but why bother when you know what you are getting down at the local supermarket.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Having had a look around t'net apparently Australia, India and Turkey are the major producers of opium for the pharmaceutical industry and I'd imagine a market as big as the UK, if it was to legalise drugs, would look to these countries to supply the raw materials.

'For pharmaceutical purposes' means the sale to controlled outlets. Selling to an uncontrolled outlet such as the British public, which would encourage smuggling to outside countries where the drug is still illegal means no company which intends to sell to the UK will be allowed to produce in those countries. Or any other country. And the same applies to cocaine.

And no legitimate company will grow the stuff anywhere illegally.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's like alcohol. Maybe people could save a fraction of the price by buying moonshine /home brew from an unauthorised source, but why bother when you know what you are getting down at the local supermarket.

Doesn't stop people buying cheap (but counterfeit) booze and fags right now, even though they don't know what's in it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ecstacy, speed and cannabis can be produced anywhere. So prices on all the above would be subject to market forces and I would imagine competition would totally eliminate the illegal trade of these drugs in the UK.

But the illegal trade won't be paying income tax, corporation tax or VAT, (plus any excise duty that might get slapped on top) just like they're not right now. Why do you think people smuggle booze and fags right now even though there are legitimate companies supplying the stuff too?

[Viking Don]

Piss in the ocean mate, most mugs pay the tax.

Why d'ya wanna spoil my drug fun? I don't wanna spoil your glass o wine (or mine for that matter). Just cos some f**kers die or worse (live and make everyone else wish they were dead)? Most drug users are just fine, just like most beer drinkers.

If the mentally-ill weren't hooked on drugs thay'd be alkies, or f**ked up on McDees or summat, gamblimg etc. Folk should just realise that some people have a problem, the way that problem shows itself is very often nothing to do with how it shows itself.

The real reason some drugs are illegal is because the corporate MAN doesn't want you to feel his dick up your arse as he shags you senseless.

(hehe I love em me)

[drfcdrfc]

Even if drugs were legalised kids would find new and to them exotic ways to get high. Glue, solvents, plant food, horse pills, the list goes on and on before you even reel off the so called hard drugs.

With legal suppliers all you would really garuantee (sp) is that the supply is clean and uncut. An unscrupilous supplier can feed his plants with water laced with heroin making it just as dangerous as a resin  with stronger drugs cut into it to catch the unwary pothead.

One of the saddest things for me is that many relapsed addicts who die do so because they think they can consume the same ammount after a break as they did at the height of their consumption and their bodies just cannot take it. just one more hit is usually the last. the shock to their bodies is just too much.

So much is quite rightly made of the evil of drugs, but we think nothing of the other , socially acceptable addiction...Booze... You would give a smackhead shooting up in the corner of the bar a wide berth, but how many think nothing of lining up the pints and chasers?

there is nothing glamerous about a drinker any more than there is a druggy.

Do you really believe that?

[Viking Don]

And can you get me some please?

Jeez the Daily Fail's got a lot to answer for. Please tell me you're having a laugh Debs, there is noone in the world who would waste their heroin on their plants. It would actually just kill them. And the plants.

Don't fret Debs, if you really do believe that all it shows is that you know absolutely nothing about drugs. No bad thing at all chuck.

Or that you have weird neighbours. Hold on, you're in Norfolk aren't you...

[RobTheRover]

I've spotted her problem. Suffolk is apparently so much nicer.

[jucyberry]

Well, hopefully Mark that is true, but it's what I've been told by the lad I work with who knows too much about too many drugs.. Talking about weed leaves against resin, I said at least with the leaves they can't be cut, he said they can put stuff in the water. Get them hooked like that, so as he has taken, sniffed, puffed just about everything going and sold quite a few too I believed him. Have to say, I'd be happy to be disproved on that one as I've always thought it horrifyingly sinister.

The big three round here are pot, kettmine and herion.. The awful thing is,when we were kids parents worried about us smoking, now I think parents are relieved if all they find is a packet of fags.
I honestly never thought I would never know one addict, sadly now tho I can name into double figures. mostly under 25, ahandful over thirty, three dead and one clean. When you have a daughter in law like mine you tend to try and find out as much as you can..

I don't think I've ever seen an article about drugs in the mail, they are to busy hounding people on incap and William and Catherine..




Rob, you've been listening to Benaldo too much lol

[Jonathan]

Alcohol causes far more deaths and misery than any drugs ever have or ever will. I'm always slightly bemused by folk who are anti-drugs but love a glass or two of wine. Why not call for a ban on alcohol?

Sounds a bit like this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCbDF-OPDX4&feature=related

[Snods Shinpad 2]

'For pharmaceutical purposes' means the sale to controlled outlets. Selling to an uncontrolled outlet such as the British public, which would encourage smuggling to outside countries where the drug is still illegal means no company which intends to sell to the UK will be allowed to produce in those countries. Or any other country. And the same applies to cocaine.

And no legitimate company will grow the stuff anywhere illegally.

Whatever the technicalities of how it would be administered/licensed/which country it came from, there is no way that a legal market for drugs in the UK wouldn't be able to find a supplier to provide the product. It would just be such a huge market. I'd imagine half of Africa/Asia/South America would wet their pants at the thought of such bounty and would make it happen. Plenty of territories around the globe which are under British control too. If it didn't for whatever reason, then domestic supply would take up the challenge anyway. No chance such a huge market would remain untapped; competition would be fierce.

As for income tax/VAT etc, the smugglers have to pay bribes, lose half of their shipments, and launder their profits. It would all level out. The sheer amount that legal producers will be able to supply would dwarf whatever criminals could provide in the black market would lead to it being cheaper as a result. People smuggle booze/fags now yes, but they are the same branded goods that consumers trust, not the raw material from an unknown source, and as VD says it's a drop in the ocean, that doesn't have comparison to the drugs issue, as these goods are legal and freely available in other countries.

[Chris]

f**kin gapped toothed gypsy crack whore. Couldn't stand the hairy Kitson, wasted talent? My arse, she was f**kin shoit!!

Anyway back on topic.

She was a scruffy, hairy, gap toothed smelly bas**rd that couldn't hold a note when \"singing\" live.

5 Grammys says otherwise, fool.

[Glyn_Wigley]

She didn't win Grammys for live performances.

[Chris]

She didn't win Grammys for live performances.

Although she did win one which was awarded for \"quality female vocal performances in the pop music genre\".

The 5 Grammys comment was aimed more at the \"she was f**kin shoit!!\" comment, anyway.

[video size=100 width=480 height=360]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L9-AvjsB6g[/video]

Tremendous talent. People should show some respect.

[Viking Don]

Well, hopefully Mark that is true, but it's what I've been told by the lad I work with who knows too much about too many drugs.. Talking about weed leaves against resin, I said at least with the leaves they can't be cut, he said they can put stuff in the water. Get them hooked like that, so as he has taken, sniffed, puffed just about everything going and sold quite a few too I believed him. Have to say, I'd be happy to be disproved on that one as I've always thought it horrifyingly sinister.

The big three round here are pot, kettmine and herion.. The awful thing is,when we were kids parents worried about us smoking, now I think parents are relieved if all they find is a packet of fags.
I honestly never thought I would never know one addict, sadly now tho I can name into double figures. mostly under 25, ahandful over thirty, three dead and one clean. When you have a daughter in law like mine you tend to try and find out as much as you can..

I don't think I've ever seen an article about drugs in the mail, they are to busy hounding people on incap and William and Catherine..




Rob, you've been listening to Benaldo too much lol

Ah Debs, the lad you work with is pullin yer pisser chuck. Give im a slap and tell im he's made a few folk laugh. Then watch his face!

I've got kids and I don't want them to smoke, drink or take drugs of any kind. But I'm not living in lala land, the dangers of each are there for all to find out if they can be arsed. But I'll certainly be steering 'em well away from fags! The evidence kinda proves that they kill people. And yer don't even get high. What's the deal?

Jon - Nice vid, not seen that one, made me smile!

Chris - nice vid also, back on topic I guess, great song.

Edit agen, it just gets funnier. SHOCK HORROR MP's TAKE DRUGS! O MA GAWD CALL AN AMBULANCE!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14342674

no idea if that link will work. But it's funny as funny gets. Small glass of sherry my f**kin bacside.