Labour waste our money again

[mjdgreg]

Former Liberian President Charles Taylor, sentenced to 50 years, will serve his prison time in a British jail. Thanks Labour for giving us the £100,000 a year bill for looking after this cretin.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2152097/Charles-Taylor-Liberian-President-sentenced-50-years.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

Of course, Labour could have simply turned a blind eye to what was going on in Sierra Leone and let Taylor's militia carry on hacking up kids with machettes. Just like Major's Govt sat on its hands when Mladic's militia was exterminating Bosnians in the early 90s.

Some things transcend cost Mick. Some things are more important. Anyone with an ounce of humanity should be deeply proud of our role in stopping this animal and bringing him to justice. How typical of the Mail to focus their story on the cost. Scum of the highest order. It was the same paper that campaigned against allowing Jewish refugees into Britain from Germany in the 1930s.

[Donnywolf]

Hear Hear !

As an aside I think we should ban Politics on Off Topic .... it is much more emotive than Football and usually has no real "answer" even with hindsight

Example .... Was Thatcher "right" to sink the Belgrano ? Because I called her Thatcher you can probably guess my answer BUT it goes to prove my point. Others (even those that did not live through it) will probably have different opinions but which is the real version

PS I do not really want an answer to the above question - it is there as an example

[mjdgreg]

How typical of the Mail to focus their story on the cost.

It's in the Sun as well.

If it were up to me he would be executed.

[Standanista]

How typical of the Mail to focus their story on the cost.

It's in the Sun as well.

If it were up to me he would be executed.

Agreed, after hacking off his extremities.  Which would probably go down well in the Mail and Sun as well!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's ridiculous to think any party would have done different in this situation though...

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP
Is it? Go and have a look how European goats, including our own under Major sat in their hands while 100,000 civilians were being butchered on our doorstep in 92-93. They simply closed their eyes and hoped it would go away. It was a shameful episode.

Stan/Mick
All for Sharia Law are we?

[mjdgreg]

It's time we stopped trying to be the policeman of the world. Who do we think we are? There's enough crimes against humanity going off in our own country that could do with sorting out before we start sorting out other countries problems.

As far as Mr Taylor goes, when there's overwhelming evidence that he is a murdering scumbag then it's very simple. He deserves to die a slow painful death. Sometimes an eye for an eye is the right philosophy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Quite right Mick. It's always been the way. Why on earth we got involved in tackling that Hitler chap when he wasn't threatening us, I really don't know.

He had every right to enslave the Slavic people, subjugate France and gas Jews. We should have kept our nose out and dealt with our own problems.

[Mr1Croft]

Hear Hear !

As an aside I think we should ban Politics on Off Topic .... it is much more emotive than Football and usually has no real "answer" even with hindsight

Example .... Was Thatcher "right" to sink the Belgrano ? Because I called her Thatcher you can probably guess my answer BUT it goes to prove my point. Others (even those that did not live through it) will probably have different opinions but which is the real version

PS I do not really want an answer to the above question - it is there as an example

I agree with this, despite having contrast views (I take it you aren't Thatchers biggest fan then?) I do think Politics is a subject where there is no answer, there is no evidence of truth on what is right, what is wrong. It is all jumbled into Wealth, Power, Justice and Morals that people will never agree, and anything they read won't change their mind 9/10.


The problem at the moment is that whichever way you look at it the government of the day will always be doing wrong, for example I call myself a Tory supporter, do I defend every Tory decision? No, only those I believe in, but being a Tory supporter didn't stop me in taking part in the protests against the rise in tuition fees that I didn't agree with (albeit from a more local location and not in London). I suppose their are Labour supporters who felt some decisions were wrong when they were in power.


You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time...

[mjdgreg]

Quite right mjdgreg. It's always been the way. Why on earth we got involved in tackling that Hitler chap when he wasn't threatening us, I really don't know.

He had every right to enslave the Slavic people, subjugate France and gas Jews. We should have kept our nose out and dealt with our own problems.

When Hitler started his shenanigans it didn't take much to work out that left well alone it wouldn't be long before he was threatening us. So in this case action was justified. You don't use the Iraq or Afghanistan examples I notice.

Although Saddam was a complete despot he did manage to keep the country from tearing itself apart. The problem with a lot of these countries is that there are two many different 'tribes' with wildly differing radical religious beliefs for democracy to work. So a benevolent dictator is the best solution in these circumstances. Unfortunately there aren't many of those about.

Hard as it seems, it's best for the people of their own country to try and sort things out. Syria being a classic example at the moment. Unfortunately when the dust settles I reckon they'll end up with a worse more extreme government than the one they've got at the moment.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

You should bone up on your history. Many influential right-wingers were all in favour of settling with Hitler and leaving him to get on with whatever he wanted to do in Europe. Chamberlain called Czechoslovakia "A far away country of which we know little". EdwardVIII was a sympathiser with Hitler (as was Joe Kennedy in the USA). Major General JFC Fuller, the military strategist thought Hitler was a great man and that we were mad to not go along with him. Hey ho.

Afghanistan was a major threat to us, like it or not and there are few people who think that we should not have got involved. Iraq was a catastrophe for which Blair is rightly castigated. I believed that at the time and still do now.

None of that changes the fact that what we did in Sierra Leone and how we have dealt with Taylor is absolutely correct.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Mick

You should bone up on your history. Many influential right-wingers were all in favour of settling with Hitler and leaving him to get on with whatever he wanted to do in Europe. Chamberlain called Czechoslovakia "A far away country of which we know little". EdwardVIII was a sympathiser with Hitler (as was Joe Kennedy in the USA). Major General JFC Fuller, the military strategist thought Hitler was a great man and that we were mad to not go along with him. Hey ho.

Thank you BST.

It would be useful if morons like the O.P. actually burshed up a little on their modern History before makeing ridiculous statements, "When Hitler started his shenanigans it didn't take much to work out that left well alone it wouldn't be long before he was threatening us" - laughable.

[jucyberry]

I just love the way Hitler's march through Europe, his slaughter of so many millions in the concerntration camps and all the millions of young men from all sides who died or terribly wounded can be described as shenanigans...

That's like calling someone like Mugabe a little tinker.. 

[Filo]

I just love the way Hitler's march through Europe, his slaughter of so many millions in the concerntration camps and all the millions of young men from all sides who died or terribly wounded can be described as shenanigans...

That's like calling someone like Mugabe a little tinker.. 

Aye Idi Amin was a rascal as well, the King of Scotland!

[mjdgreg]

T

hank you BST.

It would be useful if morons like the O.P. actually burshed up a little on their modern History before makeing ridiculous statements, "When Hitler started his shenanigans it didn't take much to work out that left well alone it wouldn't be long before he was threatening us" - laughable.

You're the one that's laughable. You must be another one put straight on the Cow and Gate. You also need to bursh up a bit on your poor grammar.

I think you'll find I know my history a lot better than any of you lot. Britain joined WWII for many reasons. One of the main reasons was the realisation that Hitler's expansionist policy would eventually bring Great Britain into conflict with Germany. Delaying going to war would have given further advantage to the growing German war machine.

Pretty much what I said in my first statement, but I've given a few more details just to clarify matters as some of you are incapable of understanding my first comment.

[mjdgreg]

He had every right to enslave the Slavic people, subjugate France and gas Jews. We should have kept our nose out

Totally disagree with you.

[mjdgreg]

Aye Idi Amin was a rascal as well,

Sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you as well. The man was a total megalomaniac.

[scriptman]

T

hank you BST.

It would be useful if morons like the O.P. actually burshed up a little on their modern History before makeing ridiculous statements, "When Hitler started his shenanigans it didn't take much to work out that left well alone it wouldn't be long before he was threatening us" - laughable.

You're the one that's laughable. You must be another one put straight on the Cow and Gate. You also need to bursh up a bit on your poor grammar.

I think you'll find I know my history a lot better than any of you lot. Britain joined WWII for many reasons. One of the main reasons was the realisation that Hitler's expansionist policy would eventually bring Great Britain into conflict with Germany. Delaying going to war would have given further advantage to the growing German war machine.

"Britain joined WWII for a confluence of reasons, chief among these was the growing acceptance that Germany's expansionist policy would inevitable bring the UK into conflict with Germany, and that delaying would give further advantage to the growing German war machine......"  (wiki.answers)

I admire your willingness to debate and 'stir' the masses but you need to be more original. A complexity of quotes doesn't make an argument, it merely confuses the reader.   

[mjdgreg]

Britain joined WWII for a confluence of reasons, chief among these was the growing acceptance that Germany's expansionist policy would inevitable bring the UK into conflict with Germany, and that delaying would give further advantage to the growing German war machine

You're only saying the same as me.

[Donnywolf]

T

hank you BST.

It would be useful if morons like the O.P. actually burshed up a little on their modern History before makeing ridiculous statements, "When Hitler started his shenanigans it didn't take much to work out that left well alone it wouldn't be long before he was threatening us" - laughable.

You're the one that's laughable. You must be another one put straight on the Cow and Gate. You also need to bursh up a bit on your poor grammar.

I think you'll find I know my history a lot better than any of you lot. Britain joined WWII for many reasons. One of the main reasons was the realisation that Hitler's expansionist policy would eventually bring Great Britain into conflict with Germany. Delaying going to war would have given further advantage to the growing German war machine.

Pretty much what I said in my first statement, but I've given a few more details just to clarify matters as some of you are incapable of understanding my first comment.

Who was it that said " that's the trouble with being older - you know everything and are surrounded by millions who know nothing"

[mjdgreg]

Who was it that said " that's the trouble with being older - you know everything and are surrounded by millions who know nothing"

Whoever it was I know exactly how they feel (especially on this forum).

[jucyberry]

Can I  be cheeky and ask just how old you are Mick?

[GM-MarkB]

Can I  be cheeky and ask just how old you are Mick?

More to the point Deb, why does he come on here in the first place, constantly belittling other posters with his boasts of superior intellect and knowledge. Posts on other threads of how to live the perfect life (which in actual fact made you look like the dullard I expect you are).  It's positively nauseating.

[jucyberry]

Ah but Mark, can't you see? his tongue is so deep in his cheek I recon he talks like this mumffum mnmuuff.. 

[GM-MarkB]

Really ??

I reckon there could be other reasons 

[donnyroversfc]

Mick makes me seem humble with his posts! Which is some feat because i am actually massively arrogant 

I'd hate me if i wasn't me.

Mick is 50 i think (if thats what his old/other username meant).

[mjdgreg]

I'm 54 years young but often get mistaken for someone in his thirties. I know madmick and he is indeed 50. He misses posting on this forum but has decided that as absolutely everything he posted about the stupid experiment was proved to be right and he didn't get an apology off anyone he has decided to not post anymore. He says it's your loss.

[Nudga]

I'm 54 years young but often get mistaken for someone in his thirties. I know madmick and he is indeed 50. He misses posting on this forum but has decided that as absolutely everything he posted about the stupid experiment was proved to be right and he didn't get an apology off anyone he has decided to not post anymore. He says it's your loss.

Sounds like the time I had to go to the doctors on "my mate's" behalf because he had something growing on his helmet after he had been on holiday to Ayia Napa. The Doctor told me to tell my "mate" to get himself to the dctors so he could examine him.
With that, I thanked the Doc' and walked out to tell "my mate".
I then walked back in and said " Hello Doctor, my you've just been speaking to ""my mate"" about the little problem that I brought back from Greece".