Bob Diamond resigns

[mjdgreg]

Still waiting mjdgreg, confirm or deny that you know Marydenerover very very well, and he knows you equally well!

I'll make a deal with you. Quite a while ago you made the assertion that my posts were full of contradictions. I asked you to back up this claim and have been patiently waiting for weeks for you produce the evidence. So far I have heard nothing from you. Out of the hundreds of posts I've done it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find ten contradictions then I will happily answer your question.

[Filo]

Still waiting mjdgreg, confirm or deny that you know Marydenerover very very well, and he knows you equally well!

I'll make a deal with you. Quite a while ago you made the assertion that my posts were full of contradictions. I asked you to back up this claim and have been patiently waiting for weeks for you produce the evidence. So far I have heard nothing from you. Out of the hundreds of posts I've done it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find ten contradictions then I will happily answer your question.

Translates into "I`m not going to answer your claim because if I tell the truth it will confirm Marydene Rover is lying and if I deny it it will confirm I`m wrong"


Of course Mick, in your warped little world you`re never wrong, so will not confirm it, you`ll just ignore the question as you are doing now, and have done throughout this and other threads.

I don`t do deals Mick, just answer the question, do you and Marydene Rover know each other very well, yes or no will do! You already know that I know the answer, but just confirm it for the benefit of the rest of the posters, confirm that you`re a fake Mick, thats all!

[mjdgreg]

Translates into "I`m not going to answer your claim because if I tell the truth it will confirm Marydene Rover is lying and if I deny it it will confirm I`m wrong"


Of course mjdgreg, in your warped little world you`re never wrong, so will not confirm it, you`ll just ignore the question as you are doing now, and have done throughout this and other threads.

I don`t do deals mjdgreg, just answer the question, do you and Marydene Rover know each other very well, yes or no will do! You already know that I know the answer, but just confirm it for the benefit of the rest of the posters, confirm that you`re a fake mjdgreg, thats all!

Translates into I can't find ten contradictions so will just keep on asking the same question and hope that nobody notices that I have made an absurd claim. Look, I'll make it even easier for you. Just admit that you can't find ten contradictions and I'll happily answer your question.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick.

You display on a daily basis the classic steps of the second rate arguer.

You start with certainty
When your certainty is shown to be mistaken because the facts don't back it up, you follow up with obfuscation.
When your obfuscationary tactics are pointed out, you respond by saying that you never meant what you actually said anyway.
And then, tediously, predictably, you start all over again by stating that another of your ideas is certainly correct.

Round, and round and round. Bzzzz....Bzzzz....f**king Bzzzz....

It's been like that for millennia. Socrates gave examples of people who argue like that, and for the last 2,500 years, human development has been built on humanity generally ignoring those arguments and instead trusting arguments that are logically consistent and that produce predictions that can be checked by empirical facts.

But go on. Have another go...

[mjdgreg]

mjdgreg.

You display on a daily basis the classic steps of the second rate arguer.

You start with certainty
When your certainty is shown to be mistaken because the facts don't back it up, you follow up with obfuscation.
When your obfuscationary tactics are pointed out, you respond by saying that you never meant what you actually said anyway.
And then, tediously, predictably, you start all over again by stating that another of your ideas is certainly correct.

Round, and round and round. Bzzzz....Bzzzz....f***ing Bzzzz....

It's been like that for millennia. Socrates gave examples of people who argue like that, and for the last 2,500 years, human development has been built on humanity generally ignoring those arguments and instead trusting arguments that are logically consistent and that produce predictions that can be checked by empirical facts.

But go on. Have another go...

I've produced evidence with links that show what you say is factually incorrect. I've humoured you with giving answers to questions you ask and then you try to say that because I've given you an answer then that is the strategy that I believe will get us out of the mess we're in. Wrong.

You again make the mistake of confusing me with someone that believes austerity is the only way forward. I repeat, I don't believe solely in austerity and never have done. You try to paint that picture of me because it suits your black and white view of the world. Unfortunately life is a bit more complicated than that.

You say that I start with certainty and when it is shown to be mistaken I follow up with obfuscation. That is your opinion. You are guilty of changing the facts to suit your own argument and assume incorrectly that I then accept your version of events. I don't. I stand by my facts and give no credence to your altered version.

I totally dispute that you have shown my facts to be mistaken. Please give an example of where I have ever responded by saying that I never meant what I actually said anyway. You won't be able to because I have never done it.

One thing you should have learned by now is that I don't change my mind. I work it all out thoroughly beforehand and then remain consistent in my views (unlike you). I am prepared to change my views if someone can show me where I've got it wrong but so far no-one has come close to making me change my mind. Therefore rest assured that there is no obfuscation on my part. The obfuscation is all down to you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick.

Give up lad. Just give up. The world is laughing at you. This thread has gone viral.

I KNOW you don't just believe in Austerity. You also want higher interest rates. Genius. EXACTLY the right way to get out of Depression. I can't imagine why no central banker or Finance Minister has thought of that...

But you still make the same mistakes in every exchange. In the latest one, after you were taken by the nose to see that your internet friend didn;t know his arse from his elbow, you respond by posting yet MORE from him. Genius arguing style. I'll accept that I've been posting webshite, but in response I'll post yet more from the same webshite. Socrates would have placed olive wreaths on your head and gone home weeping.

[mjdgreg]

mjdgreg

Give up lad. Just give up. The world is laughing at you. This thread has gone viral.

I KNOW you don't just believe in Austerity. You also want higher interest rates. Genius. EXACTLY the right way to get out of Depression. I can't imagine why no central banker or Finance Minister has thought of that...

But you still make the same mistakes in every exchange. In the latest one, after you were taken by the nose to see that your internet friend didn;t know his arse from his elbow, you respond by posting yet MORE from him. Genius arguing style. I'll accept that I've been posting webshite, but in response I'll post yet more from the same webshite. Socrates would have placed olive wreaths on your head and gone home weeping.

pmsl. It must be great living in a parallel universe. The only one that is being laughed at is you! Every time evidence is produced that you don't agree with you always try to rubbish the source. Why don't you try to counter the arguments instead? You don't because you can't, so then you fall back on trying to rubbish the source again. You then also throw insult after insult at me. This is not a good debating style and shows your weak argument up for what it is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick.

Rubbishing the source is not some sort of jerk-off debating trick.

If you are basing your arguments on other folks' opinions, then the veracity of their opinions is crucial. If they can easily be shown to be inconsistent, inaccurate and biased in their interpretations, then they are unreliable sources.

You posted a source today who contradicted himself within 48 hours. Rubbishing him for doing so is a perfectly legitimate approach.

Bzzzz.....Bzzzzz.....f**king Bzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

[mjdgreg]

You posted a source today who contradicted himself within 48 hours.

Only in your opinion because it didn't suit your argument. I nearly gave your opinion some credence but only because you know what you are talking about when it comes to contradicting yourself.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick.

Cone in then. Chapter and verse. Give it to us straight. Why do you think that your man was being consistent in his assessments of Estonia and USA?

Easy route here for you to finally win a discussion point. Let's hear your thoughts.

[mjdgreg]

I KNOW you don't just believe in Austerity. You also want higher interest rates. Genius. EXACTLY the right way to get out of Depression. I can't imagine why no central banker or Finance Minister has thought of that...

Central bankers and Finance Ministers have thought of that but don't do it because they always take the short-term politically expedient way out that ends up doing more damage in the long run. Higher interest rates are only one part of the strategy that I have worked out that will save our economy. If I was in charge there would be no political expediency.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on Mick. I'm agog. Remind me what the rest of your strategy is...

[Filo]

Translates into "I`m not going to answer your claim because if I tell the truth it will confirm Marydene Rover is lying and if I deny it it will confirm I`m wrong"


Of course mjdgreg, in your warped little world you`re never wrong, so will not confirm it, you`ll just ignore the question as you are doing now, and have done throughout this and other threads.

I don`t do deals mjdgreg, just answer the question, do you and Marydene Rover know each other very well, yes or no will do! You already know that I know the answer, but just confirm it for the benefit of the rest of the posters, confirm that you`re a fake mjdgreg, thats all!

Translates into I can't find ten contradictions so will just keep on asking the same question and hope that nobody notices that I have made an absurd claim. Look, I'll make it even easier for you. Just admit that you can't find ten contradictions and I'll happily answer your question.

I`ll use one of your tactics Mick. It`s refreshing to see by your lack of confirmation or denial that you are admitting defeat on this one, you really should be more humble when you`ve had your arse kicked though!

[mjdgreg]

I`ll use one of your tactics mjdgreg. It`s refreshing to see by your lack of confirmation or denial that you are admitting defeat on this one, you really should be more humble when you`ve had your arse kicked though!

Sorry, I don't do humble. My offer still stands. I can't say fairer than that. I'm happy to leave the readers to decide whose arse has been kicked.

[mjdgreg]

Go on mjdgreg. I'm agog. Remind me what the rest of your strategy is...

I'll try and get back to you later today. In the meantime I suggest you read my latest thread because if you follow the advice in it your memory will improve. However if you are over 55 years of age which judging by the way you debate I suspect you are, then you may already be too old to benefit.

[Filo]

I`ll use one of your tactics mjdgreg. It`s refreshing to see by your lack of confirmation or denial that you are admitting defeat on this one, you really should be more humble when you`ve had your arse kicked though!

Sorry, I don't do humble. My offer still stands. I can't say fairer than that. I'm happy to leave the readers to decide whose arse has been kicked.

OK, you don`t like being humble when you`ve had your arse kicked, I can live with that, can you live with having your arse kicked by a leftie crank? I`m sure the readers have already decided that I`ve won this latest duel with you, your clear refusal to answer my question confirms you have lost again! well done Mick for admitting defeat!

[mjdgreg]

OK, you don`t like being humble when you`ve had your arse kicked, I can live with that, can you live with having your arse kicked by a leftie crank? I`m sure the readers have already decided that I`ve won this latest duel with you, your clear refusal to answer my question confirms you have lost again! well done mjdgreg for admitting defeat!

You're beginning to sound like me more and more every day. Well done. You don't need the humour bypass reversal operation. I'm pleased you've realised that you are a leftie crank. Admitting the problem is the first step to getting a cure. I'm also happy for you that you think you won that duel. I think the next problem we need to tackle is delusion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm lost Mick. Does that mean you DO know Marydene Rover or your don't?

[Marydene Rover]

Translates into "I`m not going to answer your claim because if I tell the truth it will confirm Marydene Rover is lying and if I deny it it will confirm I`m wrong"

I have never said whether or not I know Madmick, I have said that I do not know Mjdgreg. I certainly haven't been lying !!!  Marydene Rover

[mjdgreg]

My strategy for sorting out the economy in a nutshell is as follows:

1) Raise interest rates.

2) Cut taxes.

3) Cut public spending.

4) Withdraw from the EU.

5) Scrap Quantitative Easing.

6) Stop borrowing to fuel consumption.

7) Execute Gordon Brown as a warning to politicians that gross mismanagement of the economy will not be tolerated in future.

8) Jail for anyone who votes Labour in future.

9) Immediate stop to immigration and the repatriation of certain foreigners.

There you have it. The recipe for economic success. Simple really.

[Filo]

Translates into "I`m not going to answer your claim because if I tell the truth it will confirm Marydene Rover is lying and if I deny it it will confirm I`m wrong"

I have never said whether or not I know Madmick, I have said that I do not know Mjdgreg. I certainly haven't been lying !!!  Marydene Rover

Really? I'd like mjdgreg to confirm that, he seems to be avoiding the answer!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Cool list Mick.

That idea of raising interest rates, cutting public spending and scrapping QE. Sounds like a gem of an idea to get a country out of a demand-slump Depression. I'm at a loss as to why no economist has thought of that over these last 5 years.

I wonder if it might be because it would lead to a 25% drop in GDP and 12 million extra on the dole perhaps?

But hey. Mickonomics is the future eh? A future that presumably includes unicorns, Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, Dog Heaven and all the other infantile shit that people believe in before they start to get educated in how the real world actually operates.

[mjdgreg]

I'm at a loss as to why no economist has thought of that over these last 5 years.

Whether they have or haven't is irrelevant. I'm sure I could find some if I could be bothered. I have the courage of my own convictions and don't need to check with a crank economist before I post. We are in uncharted territory and new clear blue sky thinking is required. I am ready to step up to the mark and offer my help and advice to George any time. Sometimes all that is needed is common sense, a quality I have in abundance.

[mjdgreg]

I wonder if it might be because it would lead to a 25% drop in GDP and 12 million extra on the dole perhaps?

Interesting that you are able to predict so accurately what would happen. I must admit I would have found it impossible to make any predictions unless I knew how much interest rates were going to go up by and for how long and how far public spending was going to be cut. I'd have also found it difficult to make a prediction without knowing all the ins and outs of the rest of the policy first. I'd then have to factor in the rest of the world economy as well and no end of other macro-economic factors.

So I take my hat off to you for being able to come up with such accurate predictions on next to no data. You must have an amazing crystal ball and I suggest you change your name to Gypsy Rose Stubbs.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes Mick. Yes. Agreed. You are so, so right. You could be the saviour of the world. I'll accept every word and put this thread to bed now.

[mjdgreg]

Yes Mick. Yes. Agreed. You are so, so right.

At last, the penny has dropped. Phew, that was hard work. Just one more thing. Why if you agree so wholeheartedly have you not changed your name to Gypsy Rose Stubbs?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If it makes you happy Mick. If it makes you happy...


PS: I just phoned the people at Word Hippo to ask why they didn't have a synonym for "happy". They said "shut the f*** up".

So, if it makes you shut the f*** up Mick...

[mjdgreg]

Now that Gypsy Rose Stubbs has seen the light and won't be posting on this thread any more I will in the near future produce a layman's guide to the economy so you can all understand the impending doom that faces us much better. Once you understand the problem you will be far better placed to get through the extremely tough years that lie ahead.

[Filo]

Meanwhile, can you answer my previous question, a simple yes or no will do, not the usual b*llocks you post when trying to avoid the answer!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

My Thoughts on Mick's list.

1) Raise interest rates. - Inflation is lowering so there is scope.  It's a decision on to how we move long term that will drive this and there's too much of a wedge between political parties to allow for economic re-structure.  We need it but we won't get it, therefore it'd be a pointless move.

2) Cut taxes. - I'm neither here or there on this, the problems are largely outside of our country, that will drive our future, a tax cut won't make a huge difference and will only see to a cut in revenues. Equally a tax rise would be pointless, small tweeks but nothing major.  If anything the only potential cut should be to business taxes and to national insurance to get more people working, but given the state of the treasury's expenditure it may end up unaffordable.  Working that out isn't easy.  I actually think whilst it's helping ordinary people it's not having a huge difference.

3) Cut public spending. - Agree, this has to happen as we're still overly weighted into public expenditure that won't cut the debt.  Labour have no plan for this, big weakness of theirs still.

4) Withdraw from the EU. - Long term I'd prefer us to be out of Europe for non economic reasons, but economically it's not the right move.

5) Scrap Quantitative Easing. - Agreed, it has limited effect, the only positive is to devalue the currency, bad for savers, increased inflation but does increase competitiveness.

6) Stop borrowing to fuel consumption. - Massively agree, it's against the principles I belive in economically.  This has happened for too long and we're at the tipping point now, don't fall into the traps that partly caused the problem.

7) Execute Gordon Brown as a warning to politicians that gross mismanagement of the economy will not be tolerated in future. - Hmmmm.

8) Jail for anyone who votes Labour in future. - Under the current leadership of Labour anyone who votes for them needs their head checking.  But, we don't know enough about what they plan to do, the soundbites they have said are offering nothing, just shots at the Tories.  Could they actually deliver anything different?  Well, they've not answered that yet.

9) Immediate stop to immigration and the repatriation of certain foreigners. - Pointless.


One day people will realise the one thing, what we do in this country is pointless right now, we're integrated too much globally.  We need to build our economy differently, but the politicians in this country can't agree on enough to do that, which is a shame.  Who cares about the pathetic party policits most are attempting to employ.