Scottish Independence

[Filo]

Scotch is a whisky

Scotish are the people of Scotland


But I'm sure it's just one of your many deliberate mistakes eh?

[IC1967]

Of course. I was beginning to think no one would notice. I couldn't help but titter to myself every time I wrote Scotch. By the way, I'm hoping that you made a delibarate mistake. It should be Scottish or Scots.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

I'm so pleased that your waggishness has made you titter. I often think of you as a bit of a titterer and it's always nice to find that you've judged someone correctly.

[idler]

I also know a lot of Scots. Most of them have no problem whatsoever with the English, apart from politicians. Just like us then.
Also remember that if Scotland were to gain independence there is a good chance that the Orkneys and Shetland Isles would then break.
They regard themselves as more Nordic than Scottish. They want to be part of the Union, not an independent Scotland. I'm sure that Norway would welcome them back.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Anyone who thinks the Scots don't hate the English is deluded.  Try growing up in Scotland even when 75% of your family is Scottish when you were born in England, it just doesn't bode well at all.  The Scots are all fine when they want your tourism, but after that they don't want to know in a lot of cases.

The one that grates me that it is allowed is tuition fees.  How can Scots,  and Europeans get free tuition up there for being EU members, but somehow the English, Welsh and Northern Irish are not classed as that, it has confused me for years how they get away with that?  I understand the principle, but not really the way it's permitted.

[River Don]

The Scotch are only one of many races that aren't too keen on England. Unfortunately the history of England isn't taught properly in schools and English people are blissfully unaware of the bad feeling that is out there.

The Scots are not a race.

Of course there are those who hate the English but I don't think it is that widespread or deeply held. Anyone remember 'Absolutely' on Channel 4? They had a Scottish character who hated the English. They did a thing about football "Now, Scotlands draw for the World Cup. Brazil, Brazil, Germany, Argentina, Brazil and Italy. And now England's draw for the World Cup, Monaco, Faroe Islands, Andorra, Malta, Dogger Bank and me and my mum!"

[BillyStubbsTears]

Personally, I've never met "The Scots".

Have any of you lot?

[Filo]

Mick

I'm so pleased that your waggishness has made you titter. I often think of you as a bit of a titterer and it's always nice to find that you've judged someone correctly.

Would a titterer be also known as a tit?

[BigColSutherland]

The one that grates me that it is allowed is tuition fees.  How can Scots,  and Europeans get free tuition up there for being EU members, but somehow the English, Welsh and Northern Irish are not classed as that, it has confused me for years how they get away with that?  I understand the principle, but not really the way it's permitted.

It's not a case of nationality on tuition fees, it's on residency. You could be English, living in Scotland, and get free higher education. However, you cannot be living there just to access the free higher education. You need to demonstrate that Scotland is your normal place of residence and that your educational needs are secondary.

It's been highlighted by several legal experts as discriminatory and probably in breach of the Equalities Act. However, the EU can't do anything about it as they don't get involved in "discrimination" cases within member states. Why it continues to be tolerated domestically though, I don't know.

[IC1967]

Thank you BFYP for backing up the point I was making. There are a lot of deluded folk on this forum and in England generally. I make a point of never going on holiday to countries that hate England. I never go abroad and always holiday in England.

[IC1967]

Eh, which centuries were those then?

You need to watch the first 10 minutes of Braveheart.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Personally, I've recently watched  The Bridge over the River Kwai, The Dam Busters and Cockleshell Heroes. These British people are damnedly intelligent, brave, selfless and hard-working. Surely they can't be the same Brits who are feckless educationally under-achieving, work-shy dole scroungers?

[IC1967]

Correct. Back in the day people were much more hard working. The current generation could learn a lot from them.

[moses]

Anyone who thinks the Scots don't hate the English is deluded.  Try growing up in Scotland even when 75% of your family is Scottish when you were born in England, it just doesn't bode well at all.  The Scots are all fine when they want your tourism, but after that they don't want to know in a lot of cases.

The one that grates me that it is allowed is tuition fees.  How can Scots,  and Europeans get free tuition up there for being EU members, but somehow the English, Welsh and Northern Irish are not classed as that, it has confused me for years how they get away with that?  I understand the principle, but not really the way it's permitted.

On a more local level  BFYP
Try growing up in North Notts and moving back to Hatfield in January 1984 and the teacher on your first day "jokes" that perhaps your dad's a Scab and has come to Hatfield to work in the pit.

That didn't bode well.
The only time I have ever asked my Dad to pick me up in his full prison officers uniform as that was better than the alternative.
 

[Wild Rover]

Scotch is a whisky

Scotish are the people of Scotland


But I'm sure it's just one of your many deliberate mistakes eh?

Slight correction. Scot tribal home land is IRELAND, north of. They went across to conquer what we now know to be SCOT- LAND.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Correct. Back in the day people were much more hard working. The current generation could learn a lot from them.

Whereas "The Scots" haven't changed since the days of daub and wattle?

[RedJ]

My grandparents must have gone back in time to have my dad then cos none of that part of the family or any Scots I've met through them have anything against "us"...

[IC1967]

Whereas "The Scots" haven't changed since the days of daub and wattle?

I believe they use materials such as bricks now. I've also heard they now have running water and electricity. I think you've gone slightly off tangent. My point is that the Scottish hate the English. I'm not arguing that the current generation have the same attitudes as the previous generations. However they are similar in one regard, their hatred of the English. These days they are not likely to raid and pillage over the Scottish border as they would do in the past for example.

Just admit you've got it wrong. BFYP has lived in Scotland. Why on earth can you not take what he says as true?

[IC1967]

My grandparents must have gone back in time to have my dad then cos none of that part of the family or any Scots I've met through them have anything against "us"...

There's a couple of points I feel I must mention. Judging whether the Scotch hate the English or not on such a small sample of people is not a good method for extrapolating what the whole population think. Also don't you think they may be being nice to your face as they don't want to be rude when behind your back they will be quite happy to slag you off to the high heavens. They think its funny that the English have no grasp of how they feel about them.

I suggest the next time you are in the company of a Scotchman get him drunk and then ask him the question. He will confirm what I'm saying.

[RedJ]

I swear you must get off on talking complete shite.

It's quite cute, really.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

Do you ever consider it might be just swivel-eyed loonies like you that they don't like?

[IC1967]

Do you ever consider it might be just swivel-eyed loonies like you that they don't like?

I think you're the one with the eye problem looking at your avatar! The Scotch I've met and worked with actually like me because they know what my ancestry is. They don't regard me as English. They know I can relate to the unspeakable crimes committed by the English on the Scotch and my ancestors.

[IC1967]

I swear you must get off on talking complete shite.

If you want your views to be taken seriously on the forum you need to do better than that. If you disagree with what I say then you have to say why (if you can). I suspect you find it very difficult to counter any of my views because I am always right.

[wilts rover]

The Scotch I've met and worked with actually like me because they know what my ancestry is. They don't regard me as English. They know I can relate to the unspeakable crimes committed by the English on the Scotch and my ancestors.

But in your previous posts you regard yourself as English (see the use of the words 'we' in quote below. Therefore they must hate you as it was your ancestors who committed those 'unspeakable crimes' (whatever they were, inventing golf maybe).

If you want your views to be taken seriously on the forum you need to do better than that. If you disagree with what I say then you have to say why (if you can). I suspect you find it very difficult to counter any of my views because I am always right.

The Scots hate the English because for centuries, the English treated them like second class citizens, often denying them the simplest necessities for survival. English power at the time gave away most Scottish land to wealthy English land owners.

In which centuries did 'the English treat them like second class citizens', what land was given away and which English land owners were given it?

[IC1967]

But in your previous posts you regard yourself as English (see the use of the words 'we' in quote below. Therefore they must hate you as it was your ancestors who committed those 'unspeakable crimes' (whatever they were, inventing golf maybe).

It doesn't take much working out, but you have been unable to do it so I'll help you out. I was born in England so am considered to be English. However because both of my parents aren't English the Scotch realise that I bear no responsibility for the crimes of my ancestors as they were not English.

Indeed my ancestors suffered terribly at the hands of the English. Because history is properly taught in Scotch schools they know all about the history of my ancestor's great country. This is why they like me and do not consider me to be 'English'.

[IC1967]

In which centuries did 'the English treat them like second class citizens', what land was given away and which English land owners were given it?

I refer you to my previous post. Have you watched the first 10 minutes of Braveheart yet? It's surprising how much you can learn about history by watching films.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Come on Mick. Easy enough question. How exactly did your poor ancestors suffer? Facts and details lad.

[RedJ]

Perhaps in the knowledge that they'd have a certain descendant?

[scaley back rover]

But in your previous posts you regard yourself as English (see the use of the words 'we' in quote below. Therefore they must hate you as it was your ancestors who committed those 'unspeakable crimes' (whatever they were, inventing golf maybe).

It doesn't take much working out, but you have been unable to do it so I'll help you out. I was born in England so am considered to be English. However because both of my parents aren't English the Scotch realise that I bear no responsibility for the crimes of my ancestors as they were not English.

Indeed my ancestors suffered terribly at the hands of the English. Because history is properly taught in Scotch schools they know all about the history of my ancestor's great country. This is why they like me and do not consider me to be 'English'.

If they like you can they take u back ?

[wilts rover]

In which centuries did 'the English treat them like second class citizens', what land was given away and which English land owners were given it?

I refer you to my previous post. Have you watched the first 10 minutes of Braveheart yet? It's surprising how much you can learn about history by watching films.

I refer you to my question - which you have still not answered.