Barnsley fans yesterday v Forest

[Albert Trousers]

Unveiled a coal not dole, never forgive never forget banner yesterday, nice to know they haven't forgot or forgave what happened with Notts in the 80's, do we even chant scabs at Forest anymore? If so rarely despite them singing the "sign on" song at us, still we wouldn't want to upset anyone would we?

[MrFrost]

We're a family club don't forget. We don't want banners or flares or anything like that.

[GazLaz]

"Family club" is a term I despise.

[Albert Trousers]

Sadly true, hopefully this west stand atmosphere will continue to grow & we can get a bit of fear factor to the place, nowt like Leeds or Millwall but there's no intimidation for away players, I notice Hudds had a mob of spotty chavs yesterday, as do most clubs these days, why? Because we are a soft touch, wouldnt have happened 10-15 year ago, not condoning violence for a moment but we are too nice.

[BigColSutherland]

Here it is

[roversdude]

All I seemed to hear yesterday were chants about the colour of a females undergarments not a clue why ?

[IDM]

Unveiled a coal not dole, never forgive never forget banner yesterday, nice to know they haven't forgot or forgave what happened with Notts in the 80's, do we even chant scabs at Forest anymore? If so rarely despite them singing the "sign on" song at us, still we wouldn't want to upset anyone would we?

And how many of the current 20,000 odd Nottingham Forest fan base who will be at their ground, were actually strike breakers 29 years ago?

Few and far between I guess? 

[afro goal machine]

In Barnsley its a subject that wont go away for a few generations at least, just look at the send off thatcher got in goldthorpe

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's a little bit sad in my opinion. For some perspective it happened before I was even born.

[silent majority]

It's heritage. Simple. It's what shaped and made this area what it is today, for good and bad. Mostly bad.

[Filo]

It's a little bit sad in my opinion. For some perspective it happened before I was even born.

If you lived through those times, witnessed and suffered the oppression, you probably wouldn't think it was so sad

[Chris Black come back]

It's a little bit sad in my opinion. For some perspective it happened before I was even born.

Plenty of books out there. Well worth some reading!

[Padge_DRFC]

How can you say something is sad when you weren't around then?

[Albert Trousers]

It's heritage. Simple. It's what shaped and made this area what it is today, for good and bad. Mostly bad.

Exactly, It should never be forgotten, Barnsley was no more of a mining town than Donny, they hate Forest with a passion including those not around during the strike. Isn't the Pompey,Southampton rivalry (although also local) originally about one of the towns scanning on the dockyards?

[i_ateallthepies]

I'm with IDM on this one.


Football rivalries should be about football not bloody political history.  Besides which, whilst I loathed Thatcher with as much venom as any man alive, Scargill deserves more vilification than she does for what happened.  He used the miners as pawns in his power struggle with Thatcher for nothing other than to feed his own inflated ego.   He didn't give a flying f**k about the truth or the interests of the miners he was supposed to represent.

[IDM]

It's a little bit sad in my opinion. For some perspective it happened before I was even born.

If you lived through those times, witnessed and suffered the oppression, you probably wouldn't think it was so sad

I agree, they were terrible (and avoidable) events but I for one am sick of the "scab" chants whenever we play them. 

[shaun from thorne]

If you weren't about during the strike then you should not be posting on here about it,you do not know what it was like,Nottinghamshire miners going back to work on the first day of the strike ,fighting with fellow miners who wanted to prove a point that closing pits was just a ploy from the conservative government to beak down the num.so don't say on here that its only football related posts that should be posted . The miners strike will never be forgotten and what tha SCABS DID FROM NOTTINGHAM WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN EITHER.

[DINGLE]

It's heritage. Simple. It's what shaped and made this area what it is today, for good and bad. Mostly bad.

Exactly, It should never be forgotten, Barnsley was no more of a mining town than Donny, they hate Forest with a passion including those not around during the strike. Isn't the Pompey,Southampton rivalry (although also local) originally about one of the towns scanning on the dockyards?

It is same as Millwall & West Ham, Millwall scabbed at the next match when they played each other both lots of fans clashed and it's gone on from their,

Our lot will always hate Nottinghamshire and all the scabbing bas**rds that live there.

Your dads a scab and so are you ,
we'll never forgive you cnuts for 82.
Your dads a scab and so are you,
we'll never forgive you cnuts for 82.

Maggies worse then Hitler, Maggies worse then Hitler,
And your all SCABS, and your all SCABS.
 

[i_ateallthepies]

If that was in answer to my view Shaun I certainly was around then, I'll be 59 this year so witnessed it as an adult too.


My father was a miner, I'm from a mining family so my loyalties are and were firmly with the miners.  Doesn't make it right to see only the wrong done by one side or to make us look dicks by chanting 'scabs' at rival football fans.

[IDM]

If you weren't about during the strike then you should not be posting on here about it,you do not know what it was like,Nottinghamshire miners going back to work on the first day of the strike ,fighting with fellow miners who wanted to prove a point that closing pits was just a ploy from the conservative government to beak down the num.so don't say on here that its only football related posts that should be posted . The miners strike will never be forgotten and what tha SCABS DID FROM NOTTINGHAM WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN EITHER.

Yes but not all folks in Nottingham, and Forest fans, would have fallen into that category. 

[shaun from thorne]

Idm, is it not like chanting we all hate Leeds scum. I know plenty of Leeds fans who are not scum.

[shaun from thorne]

Why should we look like diks for chanting scab,scab to forest fans, we are just reminding them that what the Nottinghamshire miners did in the strike was wrong

[DINGLE]

It's a little bit sad in my opinion. For some perspective it happened before I was even born.

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2008/11/04/great-miners-strike-1984-5-twelve-months-shook-britain-story-strike

[Albert Trousers]

I'm with IDM on this one.


Football rivalries should be about football not bloody political history.  Besides which, whilst I loathed Thatcher with as much venom as any man alive, Scargill deserves more vilification than she does for what happened.  He used the miners as pawns in his power struggle with Thatcher for nothing other than to feed his own inflated ego.   He didn't give a flying f*** about the truth or the interests of the miners he was supposed to represent.

So based on your theory, over the last 10 years our passionate football rivalry should be with Yeovil then?

[IDM]

Why should we look like diks for chanting scab,scab to forest fans, we are just reminding them that what the Nottinghamshire miners did in the strike was wrong

 

Like that was Forest fans' fault? 

[IDM]

I'm with IDM on this one.


Football rivalries should be about football not bloody political history.  Besides which, whilst I loathed Thatcher with as much venom as any man alive, Scargill deserves more vilification than she does for what happened.  He used the miners as pawns in his power struggle with Thatcher for nothing other than to feed his own inflated ego.   He didn't give a flying f*** about the truth or the interests of the miners he was supposed to represent.

So based on your theory, over the last 10 years our passionate football rivalry should be with Yeovil then?

That argument makes no sense.  Of course Yeovil are a football rival, over the last decade or so, much more than the sheffield clubs, but not like Rotherham or Scunthorpe though.

[POD]

I know its only done to wind up the opposing fans and try to gain an "edge", but Its all rather pathetic if you ask me. 

Football rivalry should be about the football, not events from history, which bear no resemblance to what is happening on the pitch. 

I am happy to engage in friendly banter with our rivals, but only about football matters.  Anything else does not belong at the match.  I was sat in the stand at Blackpool a few years ago and a Rovers fan behind me insisted on chanting obscenities about Margaret Thatcher throughout the first half.  I moved to a different part of the stand.

Let's just concentrate on backing our own team and cutting out these
tribal obscenities which have no place at a football match.

[shaun from thorne]

Its very easy to dissmiss it pod if you wern't there.It still hurts very much to all involved.If only we sang about football matters at games but we,and every other club don't.

[shaun from thorne]

IDM,i am not saying its ALL the forrest fans fault but there will be a lot of them that were there in the strike and know what we are on about when we call them scabs.

[Albert Trousers]

Why should we look like diks for chanting scab,scab to forest fans, we are just reminding them that what the Nottinghamshire miners did in the strike was wrong

 

Like that was Forest fans' fault? 

It's not Leeds fans fault that Saville & Sutcliffe were from there but they have to listen to chants about them being " 2 of their own" most weeks, except when they play us, we would want to spoil our happy clappy reputation. That's football (or what used to be ) anything to get the to the opposition players or fans