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Jonrover I don't know what you are on about as I'm sure don't other readers of this forum. So I'll say it again. UKIP exist to get us out of Europe. Their other policies won't get implemented. They come up with other policies because they are expected to by the media. The other 'policies' they come up with aren't worth too much scrutiny as they are just produced to play the politics game. It just so happens that I agree with a lot of what they have come up with. Hopefully Labour or the Tories will nick some of their ideas and they may see the light of day.
Quote from: IC1967 on September 28, 2014, 10:56:46 pmJonrover I don't know what you are on about as I'm sure don't other readers of this forum. So I'll say it again. UKIP exist to get us out of Europe. Their other policies won't get implemented. They come up with other policies because they are expected to by the media. The other 'policies' they come up with aren't worth too much scrutiny as they are just produced to play the politics game. It just so happens that I agree with a lot of what they have come up with. Hopefully Labour or the Tories will nick some of their ideas and they may see the light of day. Hmmm, lets see, first you say UKIP are a one issue party, next you say you agree with most of their policies. And now their a one issue party but have to have other policies because the media expect them to. You will make your mouth say owt! Which one is it you thick turd? Filled your moist flannel yet?Oh & PS. Isn't it funny all these Tory defectors crawling into the sewer to join Farage. Massive own goal with regard to winning Labour votes...vote UKIP, get a TORY! And what must the UKIP party faithful think. I'd be livid dragging in all these outsiders in. Farage is allowing Labour to sail home in 2015 with his daft antics. GET IN!!
to pull the centre of gravity of politics way over to the right.
485 pages of policies at the last election. Just to pay lip service. See, the problem is Mick, you have been wrong on every prediction that you've ever made on here, from the result of the Scottish referendum to the winner of the National. So, with respect, I'll treat your opinion on UKIP's intentions with same as I would a piece of dogshite - avoid interacting with it, turn my nose up at it and stick it in the bin. Ok. Tell you what. I would have a huge amount of respect for UKIP if they said:"We are a single issue party. We want NOTHING other than to get the UK out of Europe so that we can control our own borders. If you elect us, we will abstain on every other issue and we will disband after securing a referendum."In the absence of that sort of statement, I'll trust my instinct that they are run by a bunch of far-right nut jobs who see their role as akin to the Tea Party in the States - to pull the centre of gravity of politics way over to the right.
Go on Mick. Give us a link.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 29, 2014, 12:57:12 pmGo on Mick. Give us a link.Are you that stupid you can't even work out how to use Google?
Oh I've found one Mick. It's the one where Farage says his ambition is to1) destroy the Tory party,2)establish a new radical right wing party,3)get Britain out of the EU4)and THEN quit politics.I assumed you, being such a straightforward and honest person, would have one where he said that he didn't plan to do steps 1 and 2.Or are you still assuming that we're all as thick as pigshit like you?
From the very link you posted. "Rampant Nigel Farage aims to destroy the Tory Party, take over a new Right-wing British political party, get Britain out of the EU - and then quit politics."I swore not to get dragged down into your morass again Mick, but there's something about your deliberate lying that really, really gets my f***ing goat. You are an utterly obnoxious man who treats the truth as a passing inconvenience. You lie so often, I'm not even sure you realise that you are doing it any more. It's second nature to you. No wonder you support a party run by an unashamed liar. You're two peas from the same rotten pod.
In an interview with this newspaper earlier in the campaign, Mr Farage said a Canadian-style Tory meltdown ‘could happen’ here – and compared attacks on him to those on Reform Party leader Preston Manning and Reform’s first Canadian MP, schoolteacher Deborah Grey.‘They called him a Right-wing extremist, a nutter, away with the fairies, he’ll never get anywhere and what happens? They won one by-election, a schoolmistress way out West, who resisted every bribe and temptation to rejoin the Conservative Party.‘Now you have a Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, who was first elected on a Reform ticket, as were half the Cabinet.‘Don’t think this can’t happen here. The public want something different. We are catalysing a big change in British politics on fundamental issues (note Mick: Farage's own words: plural, not singular you cretin) that have been brushed under the carpet and ignored by a completely out-of-touch career political class for too long.’ QuoteNow, I don't give a shot about what Farage's personal ambitions are. I don't care if HE will stand up, stand down, or stand on his head with his cock in a pumpkin. I raised the issue about what the aim of the entire party is. And this is clear. The leader of UKIP is raising the exame if what happened in Canada and saying that it can happen here.Clear enough dipshit?Now, I do not give a f**k what you want to post about times when I have supposedly lied on here. We've been through this before and you were unable to differentiate between mistakes, and typos, rapidly corrected, and your modus operandi of simply lying. Repeatedly. So post what the f**k you want if it amuses you. Once again you will not be able to find anything I have ever written that comes remotely close to your continual spouting if lies and stupidity.
Now, I don't give a shot about what Farage's personal ambitions are. I don't care if HE will stand up, stand down, or stand on his head with his cock in a pumpkin. I raised the issue about what the aim of the entire party is. And this is clear. The leader of UKIP is raising the exame if what happened in Canada and saying that it can happen here.Clear enough dipshit?Now, I do not give a f**k what you want to post about times when I have supposedly lied on here. We've been through this before and you were unable to differentiate between mistakes, and typos, rapidly corrected, and your modus operandi of simply lying. Repeatedly. So post what the f**k you want if it amuses you. Once again you will not be able to find anything I have ever written that comes remotely close to your continual spouting if lies and stupidity.
Jesus f***ing Christ Mick. Where is the entrance door that allows facts into your brain!We are talking about what Farage himself is actually quoted as saying. QuoteIn an interview with this newspaper earlier in the campaign, Mr Farage said a Canadian-style Tory meltdown ‘could happen’ here – and compared attacks on him to those on Reform Party leader Preston Manning and Reform’s first Canadian MP, schoolteacher Deborah Grey.‘They called him a Right-wing extremist, a nutter, away with the fairies, he’ll never get anywhere and what happens? They won one by-election, a schoolmistress way out West, who resisted every bribe and temptation to rejoin the Conservative Party.‘Now you have a Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, who was first elected on a Reform ticket, as were half the Cabinet.‘Don’t think this can’t happen here. The public want something different. We are catalysing a big change in British politics on fundamental issues (note Mick: Farage's own words: plural, not singular you cretin) that have been brushed under the carpet and ignored by a completely out-of-touch career political class for too long.’ QuoteNow, I don't give a shot about what Farage's personal ambitions are. I don't care if HE will stand up, stand down, or stand on his head with his cock in a pumpkin. I raised the issue about what the aim of the entire party is. And this is clear. The leader of UKIP is raising the exame if what happened in Canada and saying that it can happen here.Clear enough dipshit?Now, I do not give a f*** what you want to post about times when I have supposedly lied on here. We've been through this before and you were unable to differentiate between mistakes, and typos, rapidly corrected, and your modus operandi of simply lying. Repeatedly. So post what the f*** you want if it amuses you. Once again you will not be able to find anything I have ever written that comes remotely close to your continual spouting if lies and stupidity.So where does it say he wants to destroy the Tory party? All I can see him saying is that a Tory meltdown could happen here. Where does it say that he wants to run a new right wing party? All he says is that it is possible that one could be formed. You sir are way off the mark. You are using sensationalist journalism for your own ends. You'd have more respect around here if you were more honest like what I am. To avoid causing you further embarrassment I won't point out your many other 'lies'. On two conditions. You must agree to mend your ways and issue an immediate abject apology.
In an interview with this newspaper earlier in the campaign, Mr Farage said a Canadian-style Tory meltdown ‘could happen’ here – and compared attacks on him to those on Reform Party leader Preston Manning and Reform’s first Canadian MP, schoolteacher Deborah Grey.‘They called him a Right-wing extremist, a nutter, away with the fairies, he’ll never get anywhere and what happens? They won one by-election, a schoolmistress way out West, who resisted every bribe and temptation to rejoin the Conservative Party.‘Now you have a Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, who was first elected on a Reform ticket, as were half the Cabinet.‘Don’t think this can’t happen here. The public want something different. We are catalysing a big change in British politics on fundamental issues (note Mick: Farage's own words: plural, not singular you cretin) that have been brushed under the carpet and ignored by a completely out-of-touch career political class for too long.’ QuoteNow, I don't give a shot about what Farage's personal ambitions are. I don't care if HE will stand up, stand down, or stand on his head with his cock in a pumpkin. I raised the issue about what the aim of the entire party is. And this is clear. The leader of UKIP is raising the exame if what happened in Canada and saying that it can happen here.Clear enough dipshit?Now, I do not give a f*** what you want to post about times when I have supposedly lied on here. We've been through this before and you were unable to differentiate between mistakes, and typos, rapidly corrected, and your modus operandi of simply lying. Repeatedly. So post what the f*** you want if it amuses you. Once again you will not be able to find anything I have ever written that comes remotely close to your continual spouting if lies and stupidity.So where does it say he wants to destroy the Tory party? All I can see him saying is that a Tory meltdown could happen here. Where does it say that he wants to run a new right wing party? All he says is that it is possible that one could be formed. You sir are way off the mark. You are using sensationalist journalism for your own ends. You'd have more respect around here if you were more honest like what I am. To avoid causing you further embarrassment I won't point out your many other 'lies'. On two conditions. You must agree to mend your ways and issue an immediate abject apology.
Now, I don't give a shot about what Farage's personal ambitions are. I don't care if HE will stand up, stand down, or stand on his head with his cock in a pumpkin. I raised the issue about what the aim of the entire party is. And this is clear. The leader of UKIP is raising the exame if what happened in Canada and saying that it can happen here.Clear enough dipshit?Now, I do not give a f*** what you want to post about times when I have supposedly lied on here. We've been through this before and you were unable to differentiate between mistakes, and typos, rapidly corrected, and your modus operandi of simply lying. Repeatedly. So post what the f*** you want if it amuses you. Once again you will not be able to find anything I have ever written that comes remotely close to your continual spouting if lies and stupidity.
Question for Farage.Over the past few years, you have claimed that if we left the EU, we could still trade with the EU, like Switzerland does. But you also want us to unilaterally withdraw from EU agreements on freedom of movement, so that we can limit EU immigration.What do you make of the case of Switzerland then? They voted in February to abrogate the agreement that they had with the EU on freedom of movement. The EU, as a direct result, is currently withdrawing or re-evaluating a whole host of trade agreements with Switzerland. From Switzerland being included in a pan-European energy market, to the involvement of Swiss academic institutions (which are some of the very best in the world) in the Euro 80billion pot of pan-European research funding.You reckon we can leave the EU, stop immigration and there will be no consequences except that we'll be richer? Give us a shout when you finally join us on Planet Earth.
Quote from: jonrover on September 29, 2014, 12:34:15 amQuote from: IC1967 on September 28, 2014, 10:56:46 pmJonrover I don't know what you are on about as I'm sure don't other readers of this forum. So I'll say it again. UKIP exist to get us out of Europe. Their other policies won't get implemented. They come up with other policies because they are expected to by the media. The other 'policies' they come up with aren't worth too much scrutiny as they are just produced to play the politics game. It just so happens that I agree with a lot of what they have come up with. Hopefully Labour or the Tories will nick some of their ideas and they may see the light of day. Hmmm, lets see, first you say UKIP are a one issue party, next you say you agree with most of their policies. And now their a one issue party but have to have other policies because the media expect them to. You will make your mouth say owt! Which one is it you thick turd? Filled your moist flannel yet?Oh & PS. Isn't it funny all these Tory defectors crawling into the sewer to join Farage. Massive own goal with regard to winning Labour votes...vote UKIP, get a TORY! And what must the UKIP party faithful think. I'd be livid dragging in all these outsiders in. Farage is allowing Labour to sail home in 2015 with his daft antics. GET IN!!Did you see the reaction of the UKIP faithful when Mr Reckless walked on the stage at their conference? Obviously not. The crowd went wild. Jucyberry saw it and disapproved of the crowd's reaction. It was like a football crowd after a goal has been scored. It went on for 5 minutes. Now given the evidence, I'd be grateful if you could explain your comment 'And what must the UKIP party faithful think. I'd be livid dragging in all these outsiders in'.You really do make yourself look daft. Don't bother replying because you won't be able to justify your outlandish, unsubstantiated, ridiculous comment.