Jeremy Clarkson in trouble again

[Lipsy]

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You don't get it do you?

1) It's nothing to do with him being from Donny (apart from the fact that he has regularly played the Uncle Tom role in sending the place up for other people's amusement).
2) It's nothing to do with him "doing well for himself". There are plenty of people (myself included) who have "done well for ourselves" and whom I don't dislike.
3) For me, it's not even anything specifically to do with him thumping a colleague.

It's very simple. I don't like him because he is a painfully unfunny Kitson who serves up obvious humour that relies on stupid, idle generalisations and reinforces the prejudices of people who are too thick to think it through.

I've said before time many that I've got a personal stake in this. Clarkson encourages a laddish, "f*** you, I'm having fun" attitude to driving. I see it EVERY morning when I walk my kids to school as people come belting through a 20mph zone at 40-50 mph. THEY are the Clarkson people.

If it was just me getting hot under the collar about these drivers, I'd probably just be one of those do-gooding liberal tossers that he delights in ribbing. But I've got more of an interest than that. Because 17 years ago, my wife's handsome, intelligent, tall, sporty 13 year old nephew was mown down on the way to school by driver doing 50 in a 30 zone who lost control and hit him on the pavement. Left him permanently brain damaged. Unable to use his right arm. Unable to speak properly because the doctor who saved his life had to perform an emergency tracheotomy. Left him as a 30 year old now who hasn't got a job, a girlfriend, a future. Who is looked after by his parents and suffers from severe depression. All because some Kitson thought he could handle a car.

So I've not got a right lot of f***ing sympathy for people like Clarkson who sell the concept of cars as fun and the concept of thinking about other people as being something to ridicule. In fact I'd love for him to spend a week shadowing my wife's nephew. And to make a TV programme about it.

If he was really funny, I might be a bit more inclined to like him. But he hasn't even got that going for him.

And please, don't EVER tell me why you think you know why I hate the Kitson.

[Orlandokarla]

Yes. He has only stepped out of line once in terms of a physical assault. There are professional footballers that step out of line in most games and get away with it week in week out.

What about boxers? They regularly hit on the break and below the belt. They regularly head but and use their elbows. They don't get sacked.

What is it with you lefties that feel sacking Jeremy is the only option? It's the worst 'punishment' he could have faced.

He hasn't been punished thanks to you lefties. You really don't get it do you.

Yes, in terms of physical assault... Does that mean that his other misdemeanors are inconsequential? Of course not. He was already on a (final?) warning for some of his previous actions.

If you can't tell the difference between a miss-timed tackle, a boxer's errant punch, and an assault in a hotel, then everybody on this forum is wasting their time in acknowledging your existence. Footballers are there to play football, and injury is part of the risk they accept. A boxer will take the occasional low blow; it comes with the territory. Getting punched by a presenter is not accepted as being part and parcel of being a TV producer.

Give over, there is no man on the inside. Either you're full of it, or your "source" is.

So the producer is going into witness protection? Give me a break.

BB, others may feel differently, but for me it has nothing to do with Clarkson per se. If there is any satisfaction to be had by anyone, it's the fundamental fact that most people like to see that the rules they live by, apply to everyone.
I moved from Donny and have done alright for myself, as have many, many others. Were that the whole story, why would anyone begrudge him that? It probably has more to do with the degree of contempt that he displays to the people of Doncaster, as he looks down his nose at them. Just a shot in the dark there.

[Lipsy]

I continue to be staggered by some of the pillocks on here.

1. He only hit someone once... Once is too many times, ferchrisakes.
2. You want him punished because he's a a Donny lad done good. Seriously? Jealously? That's somewhat presumptuous, weak and way off the mark. Where he comes from has nothing to do with it.
3. Footballers and boxers hit people on the playing field... Because that's the same as what happened and is a completely appropriate comparison.
4. Lefties wanted him punished and those on the right didn't. Frankly, it had f-all to do with political views but, if it did, it would kind of suggest that right-wing folks are uncaring wazzocks who believe that those who have power, money and influence should be able to do whatever they want to to those that don't. Oh wait...
5. The BBC will lose shedloads of money sacking Clarkson. Apart from the fact that that isn't a reason to not sack someone, it might surprise you to learn that Top Gear - at least in terms of viewing figures in the UK - was more popular BEFORE Clarkson and Wilman took over (though the show was on its arse when it was taken off the air prior to Top Thump resurrecting it). Sure, it's become a global beast since then, but there's nothing to say that it won't continue to be so without Clarkson and co. (see 7).
6. People will lose their job. Yes, because no other TV programmes will be made now that Clarkson's no longer a presenter on Top Gear.
7. Clarkson hasn't been punished. It's actually not about punishment as such. It's about ensuring that all employees have an appropriate working environment. If you have handled a disciplinary (and I have done plenty), you would know that they are NOTHING to do with punishment. If an employee has transgressed beyond an acceptable point (gross misconduct) then they will almost certainly lose their job (especially if you're on a current final warning). Also, if it were about punishment, name me one big TV 'star' who has been sacked or left the BBC under a cloud and thrived? How's it working out for Jonathan Ross? Notsomuch, not really. Oh, and his radio show and chat show replacement - Graham Norton - has gained better audience figures than JR ever achieved at the BBC (which is a pattern that has been repeated over and over when hosts or stars have left, and it suggests that Top Gear could well be reinvented and be even more successful). And, really, whether JC moves on to bigger and better things is NOT relevant to this situation. Oh, and SKY have already said no to him on the grounds that thumpers are apparently not hitting the 'family-friendly' demographic they so want to reach...So, Clarkson's done no harm to his reputation, then...

I'm sorry that some people's Sunday nights have been spoilt, but those of you that think that the BBC or 'lefties' are at fault need to aim their frustration and anger at one person, and one person alone: Jeremy Clarkson.

[coventryrover]

Anyway my man on the inside has given me some more inside information. He says  the producer is absolutely gutted at what's happened. He has no intention of pressing charges. He feels he was culpable to some extent as he did provoke Jeremy.

He is embarrassed that a man nearly twice his age managed to stick one on him and would rather people hadn't found out. He wanted to patch things up with Jeremy and carry on his lucrative career doing what he loved as before.

He is now thinking of emigrating and changing his name. He is considering plastic surgery as there are many Jeremy fans that are now out to get him.

He feels he's the one who has been punished.

If I stepped out of line by committing 30 min of physical assault I'd expect a jail term.  I am amazed at those Clarkson loversclaiming he should be treated differently because he's a celeb and that there'll be no more Top Gear.

It is black and white, he did commit a crime and he should feel the full letter of the law.

[Lipsy]

Well, he didn't physically assault anyone for 30 mins (the verbal abuse lasted 30 mins and physical was 30 seconds because he was pulled away from dishing out some more), but I agree with you that it's quite staggering just how much people are prepared to forgive the 'talent'.

[IC1967]

Well, he didn't physically assault anyone for 30 mins (the verbal abuse lasted 30 mins and physical was 30 seconds because he was pulled away from dishing out some more), but I agree with you that it's quite staggering just how much people are prepared to forgive the 'talent'.

I've read some leftie drivel in my time but this lot on this thread takes some beating.

No one is saying he should be forgiven. He should be punished. Sacking him has not punished him. Sacking him has made him more famous and richer. I don't call that a punishment.

It's you leftie lot that don't want him punished. Sacking him has had the opposite effect to what you want. Because you've got your way it is the producer that has been the most punished. For the rest of his life he will be known for one thing. There will be a lot of people now 'out to get him'. His life will never be the same again. He will now forever more be known as the man that got Jeremy the sack even though this is not what he wanted. He wanted to carry on doing the job he'd done for the last 10 years that he loved. You leftie lot couldn't care less about what he wanted. All you're bothered about is Jeremy getting the sack. How utterly simplistic. Just like your political views.

He didn't report the incident. He wanted to kiss and make up. Jeremy thought a quiet word with the bosses would mean the incident could be dealt with without the producer getting 'punished'. Unfortunately a leftie at the BBC made the incident public.

Shame on all you lefties that have made political correctness one of the biggest scandals of our time. You're a disgrace.

[Lipsy]

[IC1967]

The producer does not wish to press charges. What a surprise. No doubt you lefties will be very disappointed with him.

Watch the video. Jeremy is more concerned about the producer than he is with being arrested. What a man. He is truly one of Doncaster's finest sons and continues to act with honour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32083181

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

You don't get it do you?

1) It's nothing to do with him being from Donny (apart from the fact that he has regularly played the Uncle Tom role in sending the place up for other people's amusement).
2) It's nothing to do with him "doing well for himself". There are plenty of people (myself included) who have "done well for ourselves" and whom I don't dislike.
3) For me, it's not even anything specifically to do with him thumping a colleague.

It's very simple. I don't like him because he is a painfully unfunny Kitson who serves up obvious humour that relies on stupid, idle generalisations and reinforces the prejudices of people who are too thick to think it through.

I've said before time many that I've got a personal stake in this. Clarkson encourages a laddish, "f*** you, I'm having fun" attitude to driving. I see it EVERY morning when I walk my kids to school as people come belting through a 20mph zone at 40-50 mph. THEY are the Clarkson people.

If it was just me getting hot under the collar about these drivers, I'd probably just be one of those do-gooding liberal tossers that he delights in ribbing. But I've got more of an interest than that. Because 17 years ago, my wife's handsome, intelligent, tall, sporty 13 year old nephew was mown down on the way to school by driver doing 50 in a 30 zone who lost control and hit him on the pavement. Left him permanently brain damaged. Unable to use his right arm. Unable to speak properly because the doctor who saved his life had to perform an emergency tracheotomy. Left him as a 30 year old now who hasn't got a job, a girlfriend, a future. Who is looked after by his parents and suffers from severe depression. All because some Kitson thought he could handle a car.

So I've not got a right lot of f***ing sympathy for people like Clarkson who sell the concept of cars as fun and the concept of thinking about other people as being something to ridicule. In fact I'd love for him to spend a week shadowing my wife's nephew. And to make a TV programme about it.

If he was really funny, I might be a bit more inclined to like him. But he hasn't even got that going for him.

And please, don't EVER tell me why you think you know why I hate the Kitson.

BST

If you don't consider yourself to be one of the posters who I described in my last post, why do you deem it necessary to defend yourself?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

I'm not defending myself. I'm explaining to you that some of us have REALLY personal reasons for hating every aspect of the culture that Clarkson personifies. Not because of some abstract idea about what is right and wrong. Because the culture that he has made a career out of bigging up leaves real victims in its wake.

Big f**king laugh when you think about that aspect isn't it?

[Bentley Bullet]

BST,
No doubt some people do have personal reasons to dislike Clarkson, I can relate to that. I have a personal dislike of hearing people being described as retards because they don't share the same dislikes as someone.

[Lipsy]

The producer does not wish to press charges. What a surprise. No doubt you lefties will be very disappointed with him.

Watch the video. Jeremy is more concerned about the producer than he is with being arrested. What a man. He is truly one of Doncaster's finest sons and continues to act with honour.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32083181

[IC1967]

BB

I'm not defending myself. I'm explaining to you that some of us have REALLY personal reasons for hating every aspect of the culture that Clarkson personifies. Not because of some abstract idea about what is right and wrong. Because the culture that he has made a career out of bigging up leaves real victims in its wake.

Big f***ing laugh when you think about that aspect isn't it?

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy for your wife's nephew I'm afraid it's far too simplistic to blame Jeremy for drivers going too fast. In fact its plain ludicrous. Research has shown that only 5% of accidents occur due to driving too fast. I seem to remember you yourself admitting to driving too fast when you were young. Are you blaming that on Jeremy as well? Next you'll be wanting Formula One banning and other motor sports.

I wouldn't be surprised if people driving too slowly is actually a bigger problem than people driving too fast. We've all been stuck behind grandad doing 10 miles an hour with the drivers behind recklessly overtaking to get past the doddery old fool.

So in an effort as the voice of reason to bring some balance to the debate I suggest you read the following article.

Sorted.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-on-speeding-2006-12-01

[Lipsy]

Jesus wept - does your trolling know no f**king bounds? Whilst I don't necessarily see much in the way of a connection between something that happened 17 years ago (long before Top Gear turned into its current 'GO FAST AND LOUD' incarnation) and Jeremy Clarkson, a person's feelings on certain matters don't have to be justified or rationalised - and they certainly don't need re-educating by faceless tits such as you and I on a forum.

Seriously, go read some more shite on Jeremy Clarkson (or any other of your favoured trolling topics) so you can update us with more hours and days old 'information' from your fictitious 'man in the know'.

[IC1967]

Jesus wept - does your trolling know no f***ing bounds? Whilst I don't necessarily see much in the way of a connection between something that happened 17 years ago (long before Top Gear turned into it's current 'GO FAST AND LOUD' incarnation) and Jeremy Clarkson, a person's feelings on certain matters don't have to be justified or rationalised - and they certainly don't need re-educating by faceless tits such as you and I on a forum.

Seriously, go read some more shite on Jeremy Clarkson (or any other of your favoured trolling topics) so you can update us with more hours and days old 'information' from your fictitious 'man in the know'.

Look. You need to take a chill pill. It is my job to bring balance to a debate. The left wing media would have us all believe that Top Gear is the reason people drive too fast. I'm merely pointing out that this is not the case.

As the voice of reason it is my duty to go where others fear to tread. I stick two fingers up to political correctness and will not be silenced. I look at the hard facts before coming to a decision instead of relying on left wing claptrap.

Where I find distorted views on life I will expose them. Just be glad there are people around like me that haven't been silenced by political correctness. Too many people have been by being scared into silence by totally over the top posts like your last one.

Well you and your kind won't silence me.

[Lipsy]

On a separate but related issue, I can't seem to be able to get the ban user thing working. Anyone know how to silence this utter drivel?

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, stop posting.

[Lipsy]

Can't say I didn't ask for that. But - in the spirit of childish retorts - I will if you will. And yes, my dad *is* bigger than yours.

[Bentley Bullet]

He should be, mine's dead.

[Colin C No.3]

Hurrah for the Beeb.

Once Cameron & his cronies are booted into touch we might not even have to suffer his effing face on the news anymore. He can line up with all the other 'Yesterday's Men'.....although I use the description 'men' in the most general of terms when it comes to Clarkson....yak, spit.

Memo to the 'boys' in the far end of West Stand, "HE'S NOT ONE OF OUR OWN"!!!!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

You didn't get THAT one either did you?

I explained at the time that I was deliberately using Clarkson-esque humour to make a point.

You were offended by it. Which was PRECISELY the point. Bullying humour is only funny when it's some bugger else who is the but of the joke. When it's aimed at oneself, it's suddenly offensive.

[Bentley Bullet]

If that's true, and not just an after thought to get you off the hook, why is it OK for you to use  Clarksonesque humour to make a point, but it is not OK for Clarkson himself to use to make a point?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're saying Clarkson is making a point about the fact that bullying humour is nasty and lazy when he spends his entire career using nasty and lazy bullying humour?

[Bentley Bullet]

You're saying Clarkson is making a point about the fact that bullying humour is nasty and lazy when he spends his entire career using nasty and lazy bullying humour?

No, You're saying that!

What I'm saying is that if you deem that Clarkson is a bully, then that's up to you. What isn't up to you though is how other people perceive him.

A high profile person like Clarkson is hardly ever out of the spotlight. He's bound by human nature to slip up and say or do things that result in hitting the headlines, things that you or me would get away with to a much lesser extent. Even in the pub at night he's classed as 'still in the work place', for God's sake.

If that's not bad enough then there's a chance that he could be crucified for a comment being misconstrued by one of his critics......Just like you're claiming has happened to you following your 'Clarksonesque retard' comment.

Do you get my point now?

[BillyStubbsTears]

A misconstrued comment?

Like the "nigger" one? That was misconstrued?

Or the hilarious one about idle Mexicans?
Or the "slope" one?

You saying that he meant something other than to be gratuitously offensive and sensitive souls "misconstrued" what he really meant?


By the way. You didn't misconstrue my "retard" comment. You were offended by it. I meant it to be offensive. So you took it exactly as it was intended.

[Bentley Bullet]

No not like those comments. They weren't misconstrued, and he was wrong to say them. Like I said earlier he is not perfect and as far as I know has never claimed to be. It is part of his make-up to have occasional behavioural issues. But to single out 3 regretful things he's said out of thousands of comments in total is somewhat selective in your agenda to spread your hate for him to the more gullible amongst us.

YOU, BST should know better.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

If you bothered to read what I post, you'd have spotted that the reason I hate Clarkson is not for his predictable, lazy humour. I'd just ignore the Kitson if that's all there was to him.

The reason I hate him is that he embodies and glorifies in a culture that destroyed the life of a kid whom I care very deeply about. As I said last night, Clarkson's entire approach is, "We're having fun! f**k you." That attitude is very appealing. But it has consequences. My wife's family live with them every day.

It's an attitude that underpins everything Clarkson does. It's precisely why he makes his quips about niggers and slopes. Those aren't slips of the tongue. They are a natural part of his "You get offended? f**k you! We're having fun" approach.

[Iberian Red]

No not like those comments. They weren't misconstrued, and he was wrong to say them. Like I said earlier he is not perfect and as far as I know has never claimed to be. It is part of his make-up to have occasional behavioural issues. But to single out 3 regretful things he's said out of thousands of comments in total is somewhat selective in your agenda to spread your hate for him to the more gullible amongst us.

YOU, BST should know better.

You are a totally humourless dinosaur (dare I say retard?), and I claim my fiver.

[Lipsy]

BB

I'm not defending myself. I'm explaining to you that some of us have REALLY personal reasons for hating every aspect of the culture that Clarkson personifies. Not because of some abstract idea about what is right and wrong. Because the culture that he has made a career out of bigging up leaves real victims in its wake.

Big f***ing laugh when you think about that aspect isn't it?

Whilst I have a great deal of sympathy for your wife's nephew I'm afraid it's far too simplistic to blame Jeremy for drivers going too fast. In fact its plain ludicrous. Research has shown that only 5% of accidents occur due to driving too fast. I seem to remember you yourself admitting to driving too fast when you were young. Are you blaming that on Jeremy as well? Next you'll be wanting Formula One banning and other motor sports.

I wouldn't be surprised if people driving too slowly is actually a bigger problem than people driving too fast. We've all been stuck behind grandad doing 10 miles an hour with the drivers behind recklessly overtaking to get past the doddery old fool.

So in an effort as the voice of reason to bring some balance to the debate I suggest you read the following article.

Sorted.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-on-speeding-2006-12-01

Subtle edit, btw.