What's more important?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BBC mobile website.

Lead headline news article
"Clarkson had cancer scare before fracas"

Fourth story
"700 migrants feared drowned in Mediterranean capsize"

[BobG]

Oh dont worry Billy. Katie Hopkins in The Sun says we shouldn't care two hoots about migrants drowning. She's just told us all that they are "feral" and we would do well to ignore it. So that's alright then.

BobG

[IC1967]

I'd need to know what the second and third stories were first before I could form an opinion.

[Lipsy]

It's one of the things that is now so very wrong about the way news is reported and presented. Clarkson's 'I thought that I was poorly and I'd had rough year, so it's okay to act like a thug' non-story gets top billing not for its real-world value or importance, but rather because it'll garner the site more hits and is, therefore, more "Google-friendly".

Doubtless, several media outlets will post on Twitter and Facebook a headline along the lines of "Clarkson in cancer scare" just to get the vapid masses a-clicking. But hey, let's learn about how not ill Clarkson is/was and how he still hasn't, technically, apologised for his behaviour whilst still in this phase of feeling so very sorry himself over something that was entirely of his own making. That's WAY more important than the lives of the 700 people feared dead and the back story that's driving these poor souls to risk life and limb just to try to have a standard of living similar to that which we all take for granted.

And then there are the twunts that actually do think that a Clarkson non-story *is* more important. I'm not even going there because there's no hope for them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Apparently doctors found what they thought was a nasty malignant growth attached to Clarkson's tongue.

Turns out it was...(tired, cliched, "here comes the punchline" pause)...the rest of Jeremy Clarkson.

[BobG]

There's a petition going round to get the insufferably unpleasant Katie Hopkins given the bums rush by The Sun. It's hardly likely to succed, but it might give her, and them, a bit of a shock. And that would be a very nice thing to happen. If anyone wants the link, let me know.

BobG

[IC1967]

It's one of the things that is now so very wrong about the way news is reported and presented. Clarkson's 'I thought that I was poorly and I'd had rough year, so it's okay to act like a thug' non-story gets top billing not for its real-world value or importance, but rather because it'll garner the site more hits and is, therefore, more "Google-friendly".

Doubtless, several media outlets will post on Twitter and Facebook a headline along the lines of "Clarkson in cancer scare" just to get the vapid masses a-clicking. But hey, let's learn about how not ill Clarkson is/was and how he still hasn't, technically, apologised for his behaviour whilst still in this phase of feeling so very sorry himself over something that was entirely of his own making. That's WAY more important than the lives of the 700 people feared dead and the back story that's driving these poor souls to risk life and limb just to try to have a standard of living similar to that which we all take for granted.

And then there are the twunts that actually do think that a Clarkson non-story *is* more important. I'm not even going there because there's no hope for them.

I'd be interested to know what you lefties think the solution to this ongoing tragedy should be. I get the impression you think they should all be invited into the UK and mainland Europe. Is this correct? If so do you think we should just go into these countries and transport whoever wants to come to the destination of their choice regardless of how many millions would want to come?

[Lipsy]

I'd be interested to know what you lefties think the solution to this ongoing tragedy should be. I get the impression you think they should all be invited into the UK and mainland Europe. Is this correct? If so do you think we should just go into these countries and transport whoever wants to come to the destination of their choice regardless of how many millions would want to come?

Well, I would obviously like to teach the world to sing because I'm a leftie apparently. However, rather than be drawn into an argument with you because, presumably, you crave as much attention as humanly possible (seriously, go out and get some air - it's a lovely day), your high priestess has already been battered over this one, so do take a listen.

http://ow.ly/LPWbv

See how much time I have saved us there? You don't have to regurgitate vile things about human beings (and in this case, dead human beings) that you've read elsewhere, and I don't have to become exasperated at you and your trolling.

You don't have to thank me. I just care for my fellow man (and trolls). Ta-ta!

[IC1967]

I'd be interested to know what you lefties think the solution to this ongoing tragedy should be. I get the impression you think they should all be invited into the UK and mainland Europe. Is this correct? If so do you think we should just go into these countries and transport whoever wants to come to the destination of their choice regardless of how many millions would want to come?

Well, I would obviously like to teach the world to sing because I'm a leftie apparently. However, rather than be drawn into an argument with you because, presumably, you crave as much attention as humanly possible (seriously, go out and get some air - it's a lovely day), your high priestess has already been battered over this one, so do take a listen.

http://ow.ly/LPWbv

See how much time I have saved us there? You don't have to regurgitate vile things about human beings (and in this case, dead human beings) that you've read elsewhere, and I don't have to become exasperated at you and your trolling.

You don't have to thank me. I just care for my fellow man (and trolls). Ta-ta!

What a crap answer. I'm genuinely interested in what you think we should be doing. The impression I've formed so far is that you think we should be doing all we can to rescue these people and then invite them into our country. Is this what you think should happen? Do you have a limit on numbers? Do you not think that by doing this we will encourage many more to try to come?

Like I say I'm genuinely interested in what you think the solution should be. I'm asking a legitimate question. The typical leftie response not to tell us what your solution is and to criticise anyone that asks such a reasonable question does you no favours. You're all more bothered about being seen as a nice person than confronting reality.

Now give us a proper answer like what I always do to any question that is thrown at me. Get on with it man (or any of your leftie friends). I'm waiting.

[Yargo]

I suppose the RAF could bomb ships before they leave port eh,instant death would be better than drowning,isn't life simple IC

[IC1967]

I suppose the RAF could bomb ships before they leave port eh,instant death would be better than drowning,isn't life simple IC

Come on. What's your solution? Again you resort to criticism and personal abuse. Please try and be more constructive in future. We get that all you lefties are nice people and all us right wingers are scum of the earth in your opinion. Now get on with giving us an answer instead of showing what a nice person you are all the time.

[Lipsy]

I suppose the RAF could bomb ships before they leave port eh,instant death would be better than drowning,isn't life simple IC

Personally, I'd favour the nuclear option. Blow the buggers up, sterilise the survivors and put barbed wire around Blighty - serves 'em right for being born where they were. Frankly, I'm disgusted that their parents shagged at all - who in their right mind would raise a child in those circumstances?

Immigration is such a new thing that it's so very hard to come up with sensible ways to deal with it. Now - with our combined intellects - we have come up with a couple of sensible plans of action that our "right-thinking", liberal gentleman can really get behind.

[IC1967]

I suppose the RAF could bomb ships before they leave port eh,instant death would be better than drowning,isn't life simple IC

Personally, I'd favour the nuclear option. Blow the buggers up, sterilise the survivors and put barbed wire around Blighty - serves 'em right for being born where they were. Frankly, I'm disgusted that their parents shagged at all - who in their right mind would raise a child in those circumstances?

Immigration is such a new thing that it's so very hard to come up with sensible ways to deal with it. Now - with our combined intellects - we have come up with a couple of sensible plans of action that our "right-thinking", liberal gentleman can really get behind.

Look. You've proved you're a nice person. No need to keep pushing that agenda. Why won't you answer my questions? Why am I the only one with a 100% track record for answering everything ever asked of me?

What is it you're scared of? Just get on with it will you. You know you should.

[glosterred]

Rescue them, then take them back from whence they came.

[IC1967]

Rescue them, then take them back from whence they came.

Would this be against their will? Another point to consider is that they aren't all from Libya. Would you just drop them off at the ports in Libya and leave them to get on with it?

Look, at least you've come up with a response. What about the rest of you?

I'm getting fed up of waiting even though I knew most of my questions would go unanswered. No change there then.

[Lipsy]

Sadly, this would appear to illustrate why towing 'em back isn't going to work. Presuming you value human life, that is: http://ow.ly/LRTlb

[glosterred]

Rescue them, then take them back from whence they came.

Would this be against their will? Another point to consider is that they aren't all from Libya. Would you just drop them off at the ports in Libya and leave them to get on with it?

Look, at least you've come up with a response. What about the rest of you?

I'm getting fed up of waiting even though I knew most of my questions would go unanswered. No change there then.

Against there will if necessary.
Where the come from shouldn't be our problem where they boarded is that's where they go back to, war zone or not. Where they go then there problem not ours

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gloster.

Serious question. What would you have done with the Jewish asylum seekers who wanted to escape from Central Europe to Britain in the 1930s?

[wilts rover]

The socialist answer is of course the redistribution of wealth from the richer parts of the world into the poorer ones. There would then be less reason for people to migrate.

[wilts rover]

Billy, when they came over in 1905 we just kept moving them along, in on one side of the country, straight onto a train and then off on to a ship to America on the other. That is why there is an extra long platform at Hull Station - and despite 10's of thousands of people moving through it, no significant Jewish population in Hull.

[IC1967]

The socialist answer is of course the redistribution of wealth from the richer parts of the world into the poorer ones. There would then be less reason for people to migrate.

What a load of old cock. It isn't going to happen. It wouldn't work anyway.

Come on man. Come up with something that is more practical. Gloster has at least come up with a solution. You lefties haven't. You just want everyone to think you're nice. That's not going to get us very far is it?

[glosterred]

Gloster.

Serious question. What would you have done with the Jewish asylum seekers who wanted to escape from Central Europe to Britain in the 1930s?

We live in different times so really cannot answer that, but a question to you, should Europe be solving Africa's problems?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gloster.

You can't answer the question of whether you'd have given someone asylum from the gas chambers?

[wilts rover]

The socialist answer is of course the redistribution of wealth from the richer parts of the world into the poorer ones. There would then be less reason for people to migrate.

What a load of old cock. It isn't going to happen. It wouldn't work anyway.

Come on man. Come up with something that is more practical. Gloster has at least come up with a solution. You lefties haven't. You just want everyone to think you're nice. That's not going to get us very far is it?

Then you wont solve the problem of poor people moving to rich countries.

[IC1967]

The socialist answer is of course the redistribution of wealth from the richer parts of the world into the poorer ones. There would then be less reason for people to migrate.

What a load of old cock. It isn't going to happen. It wouldn't work anyway.

Come on man. Come up with something that is more practical. Gloster has at least come up with a solution. You lefties haven't. You just want everyone to think you're nice. That's not going to get us very far is it?

Then you wont solve the problem of poor people moving to rich countries.

Is that it? Is that the best you lefties can come up with. An airy fairy statement that the solution is the redistribution of wealth. Pathetic and totally unworkable.

Come on the rest of you lefties. Help him out. He needs all the help he can get. 

[wilts rover]

You wanted a solution to the problem, there is the solution to the problem. As to whether or not I think it will work, well I have just been reading a thread by someone who had posted what he wanted to happen rather than what he thought would happen...funny old world isn't it.

[Lipsy]

Should Europe be solving Africa's problems?

I would argue that, on a human level, we shouldn't just ignore the plights of thousands upon thousands of people. I just believe that we have a responsibility to all the citizens who share the same rock we spin around on. We can and should do better.

However, another way of looking at it is that the reason why Libya is in such a state now is that we cruised in there to topple Gaddafi (*cough* OIL *cough*) and then left the whole country in such a state that many of its inhabitants are trying to flee the country to avoid certain death. So I kind of think that, given that we helped make this mess, we ought to try our best to fix it.

[glosterred]

Gloster.

You can't answer the question of whether you'd have given someone asylum from the gas chambers?

We, as I said are living in different times, the Jewish asylum question was a European problem and I support a European answer to that question. This is an African problem an Asian problem which will only be solved by the African and Asian nations sorting out their own problem.
Let's face it why let anyone into this country of ours, irrespective out their colour, race or creed, the NHS is creaking at its seems and there is not enough money to fun it properly, there are not enough school places to allow children to go to schools they want to and we have a housing shortage.

[Lipsy]

There's quite a lot to work through Gloster, but this is my favourite explanation of why we need immigration - seriously, it's both funny and clever:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HMhWB95ldQ</a>

[BobG]

Remind me please? Who was it bombed the hell out of Iraq, got rid of the structures in their society like police, army, control processes and a modicum of Sunni/Shiite tolerance yet expected everything to turn out hunky dory? And who, then, is responsible for the shambles in Libya given what's been happening in the Sunni v Shiite debacle and the exporting of their jihadism across the middle east?

I know there are a million angles to this, and I know some of the Arabs aren't blameless, but who was it took the lid off? Lipsy has the right of it. Shits like Katie Hopkins clearly can neither read not reflect on cause and effect. On those grounds alone she is unfit to practice journalism never mind her manic suggestions we send the navy in to attack the floating refugee death traps they are forced to use.

And Gloucester: along with the middle European Jews in the 1930's, could you tell us, please, what you would have done with the likes of Michael Portillo's family, and many others, who fled from civil war torn Spain in the 1930's to England too? Shame on you. Billy's question was what would you have done in the 1930's? Not what would you do today? Refusing to stand up for what is right, tacitly accepting the holocaust as you clearly are doing, inevitably allows the bad guys to move in. Is that what you want?

BobG