Should the U.K. Go with all police carrying arms

[Glyn_Wigley]

I never thought that the IPCC was so anti police mrfrostsdad

I find that shocking and now 200% understand why any police officer would want to stay way clear of been armed.

I have to ask the question in my way only but is the IPCC full of left wing fcukers as that would answer my questions.

I feal sick now

The IPCC's seven operational Commissioners and three non-operational Commissioners are appointed by the Home Secretary for a five or three-year period. The Chair is appointed by the Crown on the recommendation of the Home Secretary. Commissioners by law may not have served with the police at any time, been the Chair or a member of SOCA at any time or been a Commissioner or officer of Customs at any time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Police_Complaints_Commission#Commissioners

Which means that all the Commissioners were appointed by either Cameron or May. I don't know who the current Commissioners are but have those two really appointed a load of lefties?

[ballysbackin]

The wife reversed about 9" into a taxi.
I got my bumper fixed for £250 cash.
The taxi driver claimed soft tissue damage among other things.
He got nearly £6k. I was foaming when the insurance company told me.
Absolutely ridiculous.

Taxi driver hit my car in Balby whilst I was in school for daughter, cute bast*** drove off but his number was taken and given to me, low and behold driving towards Donny nick I pulled up beside offending vehicle and gave him what for etc etc etc.  Cost him his job and his insurance a front wing repair my hire car for a week and costs, then they tried to argue the cost of the hire and questioned why I had to have car, I played them at their own game, Here I am a frail man with a heart condition in his mid 60's who has problems walking. Cost them a mint in the end. (Should never try it on with a retired Bobby who knows how to write accident statements up). Oh Happy Days 

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Bally that thing you pointed out about fools in cars looking for payouts after forcing a car crash .

I saw a documentary on if from the north west of Manchester area.

It seemed that the big gangs had doctors and garage repair services on the pay roll .

There main target was lone female drivers or female drivers with kids in the back or as you mentioned the older generation ,which in turn helped their claims.

Iam told that it's really bad now across the U.K. and only getting worse.


Yes when there is money to be made these boys are very wise, the two that tried it with me in Scunny could not have picked on anyone so cute as me, they blasted the horn and shuddered to a halt infront of me. Bally here expected this and stopped stationary behind them about 10 foot in total, with all other drivers just watching, then they set off and I followed at a safe speed and distance and sure as eggs at the next roundabout they braked sharply but I was ahead of the game and again stopped a good distance with plenty of observers, any collision would have meant them reversing, not so cute Bunnies . Keep your speed down and a safe distance works every time. They then turned off to the right, I smiled and waved.

If I was back in U.K. i would have a dash cam set on front and back of me car to protect myself.

This type of thing was a massive problem in Russia years and years ago ,but it was people jumping out in front of cars looking for a good tickle or gangs of local attacking cars at red lights.

Untold Russians now have dash cams ,hence why there is a massive rise of awfull Russian driving out on you tube .

Whatever happens in the U.K. Will hit likes of norway mire years down the line ,that's why r girt has dash cam on her pap pap .

I know your a former police officer so that will hold you back I guess ,but if that act had been done infront of me that blatant I would have put the fear of god into them via whatever sly means.

[ballysbackin]

I did say I waved and smiled. I did not say what I waved or how many fingers, ah the joys of  being a Police Driver for 25 years, you have to have eyes up your arras. It appears we have a few retired Officers of the law on this forum and each will have received very strict training and, I would suggest that what you are reading (like myself) stories can be told -!!!!!!! It is a sixth sense you get used to having

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The wife reversed about 9" into a taxi.
I got my bumper fixed for £250 cash.
The taxi driver claimed soft tissue damage among other things.
He got nearly £6k. I was foaming when the insurance company told me.
Absolutely ridiculous.

Taxi driver hit my car in Balby whilst I was in school for daughter, cute bast*** drove off but his number was taken and given to me, low and behold driving towards Donny nick I pulled up beside offending vehicle and gave him what for etc etc etc.  Cost him his job and his insurance a front wing repair my hire car for a week and costs, then they tried to argue the cost of the hire and questioned why I had to have car, I played them at their own game, Here I am a frail man with a heart condition in his mid 60's who has problems walking. Cost them a mint in the end. (Should never try it on with a retired Bobby who knows how to write accident statements up). Oh Happy Days 

When you approached that taxi driver Bally did you approach near enough the same way as if you was still in uniform ?

I don't mean by saying ' can you please blow into this bag sir'

I mean your mind set and body stance etc etc > if so alarm bells would have been banging in my head
straight away that you was a rozzer ,and I would act accordingly > in other words not like a James hunt .

You can kid a kidder but rarely will you pull wool over a bobbys or former policemans eyes ,in or out of uniform.

[RedJ]

I never thought that the IPCC was so anti police mrfrostsdad

I find that shocking and now 200% understand why any police officer would want to stay way clear of been armed.

I have to ask the question in my way only but is the IPCC full of left wing fcukers as that would answer my questions.

I feal sick now

Go on, I'll bite. What exactly draws you to the conclusion that they're left wing? f**k me man not everything in life is defined by your politics.

[Filo]

An attack in Paris today by a lone wolf, resulted in him being shot in the chest by a French policeman, no civilian casualties. How many casualties would there have been had the cop not been armed?

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Just looking at this on the noggy news now ,certianly food for thought.

One thing I can't quite get head round that it has come out today that these 3 extreme Muslims were all known to the U.K. Security forces.

They had a warning from Italy about one ,neighbours warned police about one a couple of years ago .they was on a channel 4 documentary with them holding a isis flag >

Now the pm is saying that she plans to fcuk off any human rights laws or EU  guide lines in hope to get a stronger grip or controll over jihdis etc etc > that's what likes of tommy Robbinson has been saying since 2011 but maybe be in a more brutal way only to be deemed wrong'ern by British society .

Trump has slagged the London mayor off ,and all and sundry are backing the mayor and digging out trump because there is the worlds media on them .

Trump said parts of London were dangerous > he got slapped down > turns out he gets a tick.

Trump said Sweden will have problems > he got slapped down > another tick for trump .

Trump slaggs off mayor of London > we will wait and see

[wilts rover]

Trump needs to sort out America before telling the rest of the world what to do.

In 2016 135 police officers were killed on duty, 64 of whom were shot. This is actually below the 10 years average of 151 police officers being killed on duty. 122 officers have been killed or wounded this year.

At the same time the police shot and killed at least 1058 people. In a number of cases the victims were unarmed.

411 people have been shot and killed by the police so far this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/police-killed-2016-average
http://time.com/4619689/police-officers-killed-2016/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

Which may seem high until you realise that 13 286 people were killed and 26 819 injured by firearms in 2015.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604

So far this year there have been 26 533 gun violence incidents in the US - with 6531 people being killed. 906 of those were shot by a police officer.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

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Been a lot of things in the press media and on here about the 20,000 police officers that had their jobs cut on mays watch.

wrong or right the question is do we all honestly think that if we still had them 20,000 officers were still on our streets that recent attacks in Manchester and London would not have taken place.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Been a lot of things in the press media and on here about the 20,000 police officers that had their jobs cut on mays watch.

wrong or right the question is do we all honestly think that if we still had them 20,000 officers were still on our streets that recent attacks in Manchester and London would not have taken place.

You will never iradicate incidents like these, there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee.7

Once you understand that, you realise that what you have to do is reduce the possibility of them happening.

Both myself and bally1950 have said that what is needed is the re-establishment of Community Policemen, having their own patch and getting to know it and being able to sniff the wind. That's how you find out who are the proper wrong 'uns.

If you don't think losing 20,000 coppers over the last seven years has had an effect, ask yourself if losing another 20,000 over the next seven years will have an effect or not.

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You need to start at the wroot of the problem which leads you straight to the doorstep of Islam and the Koran and that prophet muhammad
( spell check) .

They are still learning from the Koran that is over 1000 years old  and it's exactly the same today as it was back then .

The world and culture had moved on over those 1000 years the Koran had not.

From our side of the fence we had the Old Testement which got changed to the New Testament,which is our guide today.

I have not read all the way throu the Koran ,but parts that I have I found astonishing .maybe I miss read it or interpreted it wrong but there are some parts that are as simple as Day and night

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Old Testament didn't get changed to the New Testament, they are both separate scriptures. The New Testament is at least 1600 years old, the Old Testament from a lot further back than that, centuries BC at least. And neither of them has moved on over the centuries either.

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Glynn go and have a gander at the Koran and stop putting up smoke screens .its not punters that read the old or new testament that are going around chopping heads off or suicide bombs and knife attacks on U.K. Or European streets.

Just read up on the chap Called Muhammad as he seems to have a very very strong infulance

[ballysbackin]

The wife reversed about 9" into a taxi.
I got my bumper fixed for £250 cash.
The taxi driver claimed soft tissue damage among other things.
He got nearly £6k. I was foaming when the insurance company told me.
Absolutely ridiculous.

No. I pulled up beside him at junc of Balby Rd and Sandord Rd, I had daughter in car and he had two small children. I told him he had hit my car and driven off without waiting, He replied "Yes I did follow me and we will sort it out". At that point remembering there were children there, I just told him I was going to the Police Station, he followed and almost begged me not to go inside. After I agreed and Insurance stuff was underway he decided to place silly bas**rds and hide and seek, So i ensured it went all the way and made sure he lost his job. What an utter bas**rd I am ---- Crossing me is not wise. The reason I did not throttle him was because he would throw the racist card (yes he was not English and not white skinned) That was his saving grace


Taxi driver hit my car in Balby whilst I was in school for daughter, cute bast*** drove off but his number was taken and given to me, low and behold driving towards Donny nick I pulled up beside offending vehicle and gave him what for etc etc etc.  Cost him his job and his insurance a front wing repair my hire car for a week and costs, then they tried to argue the cost of the hire and questioned why I had to have car, I played them at their own game, Here I am a frail man with a heart condition in his mid 60's who has problems walking. Cost them a mint in the end. (Should never try it on with a retired Bobby who knows how to write accident statements up). Oh Happy Days 

When you approached that taxi driver Bally did you approach near enough the same way as if you was still in uniform ?

I don't mean by saying ' can you please blow into this bag sir'

I mean your mind set and body stance etc etc > if so alarm bells would have been banging in my head
straight away that you was a rozzer ,and I would act accordingly > in other words not like a James hunt .

You can kid a kidder but rarely will you pull wool over a bobbys or former policemans eyes ,in or out of uniform.

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Glynn thought you would have read the whole of the Koran by now and can recite it from back to front fella,you have had all afternoon .

[glosterred]

Should the police be told that they have to carry guns and not get the choice?

[mrfrostsdad]

Should the police be told that they have to carry guns and not get the choice?

Nope because that's not what they joined up for. And you'd be amazed how many complaints come in from the public when they see armed officers in supermarkets and takeaways buying their lunch or whatever. In general the public don't like it.

The only forces completely armed are the MOD Police - none in South Yorks but lots in North Yorks - and the Civil Nuclear Constabulary - none in Yorkshire at all.

The Tories plan is to have a new armed force of approximately 4500 armed officers to respond to incidents and patrol high profile targets. This will be made up of MOD Police, CNC and British Transport Police. Some of it is already happening. MOD CNC and BTP already have many armed response vehicles (ARV's) out and about all over the place, but not everywhere. Looks good on paper

[mrfrostsdad]

I never thought that the IPCC was so anti police mrfrostsdad

I find that shocking and now 200% understand why any police officer would want to stay way clear of been armed.

I have to ask the question in my way only but is the IPCC full of left wing fcukers as that would answer my questions.

I feal sick now

I worked in Professional Standards for a while as an investigator in the rank of Inspector. Had quite a few dealings with the IPCC. When retirement came up a few years ago I applied for a job with them. I'm so glad I didn't get it, I couldn't be so bitter and twisted