The London high tower block fire.

[bobjimwilly]

not trying to turn this thread political, but Theresa May visited the tower block today in private, not meeting any of the residents or survivors. Corbyn did the opposite.

[glosterred]

not trying to turn this thread political, but Theresa May visited the tower block today in private, not meeting any of the residents or survivors. Corbyn did the opposite.

Whoopy do

[Geoff Blakesley]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/full-list-landlord-tory-mps-who-voted-against-making-properties-fit-human-habitation-1537725

[Herman Hessian]

not trying to turn this thread political, but Theresa May visited the tower block today in private, not meeting any of the residents or survivors. Corbyn did the opposite.

so you're saying that May was observing a dignified silence, fulfilling the need for the head of state to make a representative appearance without being willfully intrusive on the grief of the victims, and corbyn was showboating and playing to the gallery for political gain ?

[not on facebook]

How long before all this goodwill outside the tower block turns to real anger with police having to draw batons to crack heads when the mob outside in protest will be mainly non locals

[Draytonian III]

Those people who thought the tower block was ugly and needed cladding to improve the area , Kensington and Chelsea will soon have their way as no doubt the remaining shell will be levelled and replaced buy posh residential PRIVATE properties.

[wilts rover]

not trying to turn this thread political, but Theresa May visited the tower block today in private, not meeting any of the residents or survivors. Corbyn did the opposite.

so you're saying that May was observing a dignified silence, fulfilling the need for the head of state to make a representative appearance without being willfully intrusive on the grief of the victims, and corbyn was showboating and playing to the gallery for political gain ?

Sounds like it - although apparently May didn't meet the survivors, victims relatives or the volunteers assisting them because of 'security reasons'. It hasn't yet been explained what these 'security reasons' were and why they didn't apply to her holding up the work of the fire brigade at the scene?

[BobG]

This fire is, unfortunately, just the latest in a long, long list of preventable disasters in this country since the dawn of the 1980's. Zeebrugge, Kings Cross,  Bradford, Hillsborough, Paddington, Marchioness:  the list goes on and on. It is symptomatic of our descent to third world status. We have the fifth largest economy in the world. Yet we have a society and a political culture  that promotes deregulation and third party outsourcing while starving of funds those charged with monitoring and assessing our safety. In doing so we demote accountability and health and safety. When did you last see a council Trading Standards officer?

I would bring in a corporate manslaughter law that would make corporate and government officials accountable for their actions and their inactions. Unfortunately, the chaos that is Brexit will only promote even more deregulation and removal of oversight  - which, of course, is the chief aim of the Brexiteers to better maximise their 'freedom' - aka their profit making capacity.

And if the rumours are true that Conservative governments for the last 8 years have squashed the recommendations coming out of the identical fire in Camberwell, well, I'd throw the key in the Mindanao Trench.

Who's your favorite for the role of scapegoat?

BobG

[Muttley]

I would bring in a corporate manslaughter law that would make corporate and government officials accountable for their actions and their inactions. Unfortunately, the chaos that is Brexit will only promote even more deregulation and removal of oversight  - which, of course, is the chief aim of the Brexiteers to better maximise their 'freedom' - aka their profit making capacity.

The law exists already - Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007.

Not many prosecutions under it though, biggest fine handed out has been £700k I think.

[drfchound]

This fire is, unfortunately, just the latest in a long, long list of preventable disasters in this country since the dawn of the 1980's. Zeebrugge, Kings Cross,  Bradford, Hillsborough, Paddington, Marchioness:  the list goes on and on. It is symptomatic of our descent to third world status. We have the fifth largest economy in the world. Yet we have a society and a political culture  that promotes deregulation and third party outsourcing while starving of funds those charged with monitoring and assessing our safety. In doing so we demote accountability and health and safety. When did you last see a council Trading Standards officer?

I would bring in a corporate manslaughter law that would make corporate and government officials accountable for their actions and their inactions. Unfortunately, the chaos that is Brexit will only promote even more deregulation and removal of oversight  - which, of course, is the chief aim of the Brexiteers to better maximise their 'freedom' - aka their profit making capacity.

And if the rumours are true that Conservative governments for the last 8 years have squashed the recommendations coming out of the identical fire in Camberwell, well, I'd throw the key in the Mindanao Trench.

Who's your favorite for the role of scapegoat?

BobG

Who's your favourite for the role of scapegoat?

Probably anyone who isn't linked to the Labour party by the way this thread is degenerating.

[RedJ]

 

[Susan Abbott]

What does  that 'zzz ' mean ?

That your ignorant and didn't  under stand the argument or your ready for bed ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

What does  that 'zzz ' mean ?

That your ignorant and didn't  under stand the argument or your ready for bed ?

[drfchound]

It must be nice to be perfect.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Oh I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but accusing someone else of ignorance when fully displaying your own does tend to make you look rather silly, doesn't it?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I don't see why we need a public enquiry at great expense when this can be dealt with much quicker by the experts. Someone needs to be honest and say there may not be an instant solution for the remaining tower blocks with the same cladding, but they'll work with all councils to rehouse people if necessary and as soon as they can.

The sooner all these monstrosities are pulled down the better, cladding or otherwise. We should have the wherewithal to build affordable, safe public housing that stays in the public sector.

[drfchound]

Oh I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but accusing someone else of ignorance when fully displaying your own does tend to make you look rather silly, doesn't it?

I suppose it does if you are a member of the spelling police.

[glosterred]

Who's your favorite for the role of scapegoat?

BobG

Probably Lewis Guy, he's the favourite scapegoat on this forum or maybe as an outside bet ATS

[Yargo]

Who's your favorite for the role of scapegoat?

BobG

Eeh these Americanisms that's being brought in by kids!

Anyway it's obviously Farage's fault, or did someone just turn the clock back 12 months?
No fear Corbyn is just about to take over Lilly Allen's mansion

[Yargo]

I would bring in a corporate manslaughter law that would make corporate and government officials accountable for their actions and their inactions. Unfortunately, the chaos that is Brexit will only promote even more deregulation and removal of oversight  - which, of course, is the chief aim of the Brexiteers to better maximise their 'freedom' - aka their profit making capacity.

And if the rumours are true that Conservative governments for the last 8 years have squashed the recommendations coming out of the identical fire in Camberwell, well, I'd throw the key in the Mindanao Trench.

BobG

What even that nice pro EU Gavin Barwell (former housing minister)and that nice pro EU Maybe? Billy's Sanctimonious Twaddle would rip someone apart for less blasphemy than that

[Glyn_Wigley]

Who's your favorite for the role of scapegoat?

BobG

Eeh these Americanisms that's being brought in by kids!

Damn those Americans for writing the Bible!

[RedJ]

I would bring in a corporate manslaughter law that would make corporate and government officials accountable for their actions and their inactions. Unfortunately, the chaos that is Brexit will only promote even more deregulation and removal of oversight  - which, of course, is the chief aim of the Brexiteers to better maximise their 'freedom' - aka their profit making capacity.

And if the rumours are true that Conservative governments for the last 8 years have squashed the recommendations coming out of the identical fire in Camberwell, well, I'd throw the key in the Mindanao Trench.

BobG

What even that nice pro EU Gavin Barwell (former housing minister)and that nice pro EU Maybe? Billy's Sanctimonious Twaddle would rip someone apart for less blasphemy than that

f**k me you're a boring Kitson. Not everything comes down to whether you're pro or anti EU.

[Yargo]

Dont it? Ride me sideways, I thought that was what Silly Bollox Tears was getting at 12 months ago

[Glyn_Wigley]

So send him your drivel in a PM and leave the rest of us out of it then.

[not on facebook]

I know that I post the odd views and opinions that are on the different side of the road to many etc etc .

I will do my best to deffend my views opinions within a certian protocall as Iam sure that I never go down the road of point scoring against whoever to back up my points.

I might throw some of my backward humor in here and there.

But I have to point out  that  on this thread school playground
tactics seems to have cropped up amongst the flak .


Have some decor please.

[glosterred]

not trying to turn this thread political, but Theresa May visited the tower block today in private, not meeting any of the residents or survivors. Corbyn did the opposite.

So not trying to turn this thread political, you've done a good job of that!

[drfchound]

I know that I post the odd views and opinions that are on the different side of the road to many etc etc .

I will do my best to deffend my views opinions within a certian protocall as Iam sure that I never go down the road of point scoring against whoever to back up my points.

I might throw some of my backward humor in here and there.

But I have to point out  that  on this thread school playground
tactics seems to have cropped up amongst the flak .


Have some decor please.

Yeah, agreed.
Don't try to paper over things.

[roversdude]

Looks like lessons weren't learnt from a fire in Melbourne  http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-15/cladding-on-grenfell-tower-similar-to-2014-melbourne-fire/8619522?pfmredir=sm

[not on facebook]

17:15 back in the U.K. and a meeting by the locals outside the Kensington.&Chelsea council building  for a peaceful protest is getting a tad out of hand,but nothing major at moment.

Police just standing back really.

350 protesters reported .

Members of media have become targets .

Got this fealing that since it's warm weather nobody is going home and when the street lights come on and sun has gone down replaced by moonlight you will hear first  sounds  of breaking glass .

[wilts rover]

Or the one in Dubai:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-36849171/dubai-fire-blaze-rips-through-residential-skyscraper

Or the one in Southampton:
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/briefing/firefighter_deaths/11797367.Lessons_learned_from_Shirley_Towers_as_tower_blocks_to_be_fitted_with_sprinklers/