North Korea??

[wing commander]

   So what do we do about North Korea...THey are racing towards the end achievement of being a nuclear power and nothing is seeming to make them even pause there aims.. threats,sanctions,offers of talks or even the Chinese diplomacy hasn't made a jot of difference and they are racing towards the stage when nothing can be done....
   I'm sure if it was solely up to Trump, the bombers would already be in the air and if it was solely down to Corbyn he would be writing a pretty stiff letter asking them for tea and buns...
   Given that the vast majority of us don't fancy some crazy loon to have the ability to obliterate the world if he gets out of bed the wrong side..What should the world do???
   I've got to admit, normally I've got an opinion on what should be done but on this I'm scared of all the options..A military strike runs the risk of war both from NK and the Chinese...Sanctions don't work though and they wont want to talk while everything is going to there plan..??? Anybody got a plan..?

[Filo]

For me the key is getting China and Russia fully onboard and Trump to stop being a dick and work with those two Countries in the interests of world peace. Cutting all fuel supplies to NK would be a start

[MrFrost]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

[wing commander]

You see Filo that's the problem,the Russians will never be fully onside because it's a cold war foe problem...They will use it to their advantage the same way USA would in reverse roles...
   The Chinese similar,there rhetoric to NK isn't strong enough and I doubt it ever will be,they are playing both sides...Cutting oil is a solution but wont happen because while officially the Chinese are agreeing to Sanctions all the evidence suggests trade is happening as normal with them...

[wing commander]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

   Then he is a fool NK has no intention of striking first...They don't want war they want the Nuclear bomb,they are goading the USA basically saying if you want to stop us then you make the first move,banking on the Chinese risk to negate that while they continue on their way to they achieve their nuclear ambition...

[Filo]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

   Then he is a fool NK has no intention of striking first...They don't want war they want the Nuclear bomb,they are goading the USA basically saying if you want to stop us then you make the first move,banking on the Chinese risk to negate that while they continue on their way to they achieve their nuclear ambition...

The problem is, everytime the international community does nothing the little fat boy with no mates thinks he can get away with a bit more. At some point it has to end, and that end game is a conflict wether we like it or not

[drfchound]

The thought of this going into a nuclear conflict is frightening beyond belief.

[wing commander]

it is Hound I agree...I see today the South are saying they are seeing evidence of another North Balistic missile test imminent...If they do and pop that over Japan again...I fear the worst...

[MrFrost]

it is Hound I agree...I see today the South are saying they are seeing evidence of another North Balistic missile test imminent...If they do and pop that over Japan again...I fear the worst...

It's whether China really want to get involved. Do they want to risk all out nuclear war, or turn a blind eye to what happens.

[not on facebook]

I noticed that it was reported in the press the other day that Kim the leader of NK has a so called secret son tucked away in NK out of public eye.

Question is if fat boy Kim was taken out with a bullet to his head ,who else would need to be taken out alongside him to prevent a like minded family member or close by loon that would step in to run the country on the same path and terms as today.

[Yargo]

I stand with North Korea in their endeavour against the fascist AmeriKKKa.

Glyn Wigley

[Glyn_Wigley]

As they are a bunch of lefties, there are those on here who would no doubt say that therefore they're just shandy-drinking, nancy, lily-livered, namby-pamby, powder puff, do-gooder, snowflake jessies and nothing to worry about.

After all, all lefties are the same, aren't they?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wibble.

Yargo

[Glyn_Wigley]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

How many South Koreans do you think he'll be happy to sacrifice when he retaliates?

[MrFrost]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

How many South Koreans do you think he'll be happy to sacrifice when he retaliates?

It depends what the retaliation is.

It's more likely to be a conventional aerial bombing campaign than nuclear - at least to begin with, in which case there will be no South Korean collateral.

[rtid88]

How much actual evidence is there that they are anywhere near being able to produce Nuclear Weapons?? How much of this is getting blown out of proportion by the media??

[wing commander]

  So Glyn just out of interest...What do you think should be the way forward...???

[wing commander]

How much actual evidence is there that they are anywhere near being able to produce Nuclear Weapons?? How much of this is getting blown out of proportion by the media??

   Well the nuclear test at the weekend tells you they can create the explosion itself,the ballistic missile tests prove they have the delivery system..So the only thing in question is how far away they are from miniaturising  it to fit...So either the photo of kim standing next to his warhead was false and it was filled with foam or they are still working on it...Either way the timescales are short...

[Glyn_Wigley]

  So Glyn just out of interest...What do you think should be the way forward...???

Whichever way is it is, it's got to be with the full agreement of the South Koreans. They're the ones who are in the direct firing line.

Long-term, you have to work with the Chinese, they're the ones who can effectively pressure NK.

Trump acting like it's only and solely down to him to act unilaterally really isn't helping.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Trump will be biding his time, waiting for North Korea to strike first, thus giving him free reign to do what he wants in retaliation.

How many South Koreans do you think he'll be happy to sacrifice when he retaliates?

It depends what the retaliation is.

It's more likely to be a conventional aerial bombing campaign than nuclear - at least to begin with, in which case there will be no South Korean collateral.

So you don't think the NKs would be able to fire off any one of the hundreds of missiles permanently pointed at South Korea at all?

[not on facebook]

NK has its hands on a very very dangerous infact the most dangerous nerv agent known to man todate.

Think it's called VX or something .

They used this stuff when two girls took out a North Korean called Kim whatever at a Malaysian airport.

They snoook up behind him and wiped his face with said dangerous chemical stuff.

Bloke died sometime after the attack.

They could stick that stuff into a weapon and fire it off to cause havoc I guess.

the sooner this idiot Kim and his like minded sect are taken out via whatever means the better for all I guess.

All those idiots that thing that this kim chap is a run of the mill chap and is not a threat due to this and that ,would you feal so secure if you lived in South Korea .

[wing commander]

  So Glyn just out of interest...What do you think should be the way forward...???

Whichever way is it is, it's got to be with the full agreement of the South Koreans. They're the ones who are in the direct firing line.

Long-term, you have to work with the Chinese, they're the ones who can effectively pressure NK.

Trump acting like it's only and solely down to him to act unilaterally really isn't helping.

   There isn't a long term option Glynn it will be too late by then and the Chinese would have to be 100% committed for that to work and it's pretty obvious with there rhetoric and booming trade between the two countries that they are far from that...The Chinese are playing both sides surely that's obvious to all...

[Glyn_Wigley]

Above all else the Chinese want stability, that's what they're committed to 100%.

It's bad enough that there's one unpredictable element in this mess, Trump making it two unpredictable elements really isn't helping.

[wing commander]

   I cant agree with you Glynn....Your hanging your hat on a Chinese utopia that simply isn't there...They simply are not commited enough to put the required pressure on the North Koreans..
   North Koreas actions surely must give you a clue as to how much they fear Chinese intervention??

[MrFrost]

Above all else the Chinese want stability, that's what they're committed to 100%.

It's bad enough that there's one unpredictable element in this mess, Trump making it two unpredictable elements really isn't helping.

I think Trump has handled it pretty well. Clinton would probably have already started military action by now.

[RedJ]

   I cant agree with you Glynn....Your hanging your hat on a Chinese utopia that simply isn't there...They simply are not commited enough to put the required pressure on the North Koreans..
   North Koreas actions surely must give you a clue as to how much they fear Chinese intervention??

Sorry but how is he?


Another thing to consider... if North Korea collapses and the Korean peninsula is unified, they'll potentially have American troops on their doorstep, which they might not be too keen on.

[wing commander]

    The Chinese today have said they are not prepared to cut there own throat as regards a total trade ban with the North Koreans...Therefore they cannot or wont put the required amount of pressure on NK to halt there persuit of Nuclear Missiles....So that isn't going to lead to a solution...The North Korean actions are designed to drive a wedge between the USA and China because they know China is only going to go so far...
   As for NK collapsing...Nobody should be looking for regime change...But he cant be allowed to achieve his aim of possessing nuclear weapons surely???

[Sprotyrover]

What Ching news last night a report on the main bridge into NK from China,the entire place was in darkness,they can't even affford the lekky bill let alone a war.

[Glyn_Wigley]

    The Chinese today have said they are not prepared to cut there own throat as regards a total trade ban with the North Koreans...Therefore they cannot or wont put the required amount of pressure on NK to halt there persuit of Nuclear Missiles....So that isn't going to lead to a solution...The North Korean actions are designed to drive a wedge between the USA and China because they know China is only going to go so far...
   As for NK collapsing...Nobody should be looking for regime change...But he cant be allowed to achieve his aim of possessing nuclear weapons surely???

What? Just because they don't want to toe the line regarding Trump's ridiculous trade bluster you extrapolate that they're doing nothing and that nor do they have the resolve to do anything?

[not on facebook]

Don't Japan have a say in all this as it's their country that the last missile was fired  across into the sea ,as they had the right to blast said missile right out of the sky since it was in their air space .

Find it odd that I don't see nowt on the news about the japs fealings in this .