Churlish to criticise after a win...

[1879Rovers]

First time we have kept a clean sheet at Bury in 31 attempts.

What we need to do now is get back-to-back wins. It is really tight from play-offs to bottom three.

[Heffs right foot]

OK, so yesterday wasn't great, at this moment in time its the three points that matter the most...at the end of the season it's all about points on the board,that keep you in the division or being relegated.

[Lesonthewest]

Williams's performance at Rochdale was the final straw for me, played like he had never seen a football in his life. Would love him to do well, but he's shot in my opinion.

[Copps is Magic]

Shapeless and clueless. These 'systems' fergie has invented are truly terrible. Alcock as winger? Copps turning round to see no one in front of him 9/10?

Good players playing poorly. We got lucky today.

3 wins out of last 5,
Some people will never be happy

I was happy. Go back over my posts lasts season. I was regularly basking in Fergies' free flowing attacking football. So, let's put that one to bed straight away.

Let's get back to the performance yesterday. The original subject. Were you there? When you see the club you love be marginally better out of two poor sides you start to worry. Not bury your head in the sand and pretend we're great.

[The Red Baron]

We've lost to some poor sides this season. Wimbledon, Northampton, Rochdale and Walsall to name four. Nice to beat one of our fellow strugglers, even if the performance wasn't great.

Like I was saying the other day, we need to start grinding out results from the next few games. If we do that maybe the confidence will come back and performances will improve.

[Donny Exile in York]

Williams had more than enough chances and given the rurmoured high wage relative to the squad as a whole, would get rid. Would sooner have a Keshi Anderson than him, missed some glorious chances.. alot more than he has scored!

Still don't understand this obsession we've got with Anderson. He's not the answer to our problems in front of goal.




Oh and we were shite. A better team would've killed us off - Bury are truly hopeless at the moment - but we won which is all that matters at the moment.

Haven't posted for a while but what a surprise Red J is straight in on my comment. There is NO obsession with Anderson, but as a young hard running player with potential at the right end of his 20s he's a far better prospect than the misfiring 30+ Williams who others have pointed out offers little to the team when the two short purple patches ended. The point I was making is he has missed some gilt edged chances for us in many games. Anderson was just one of many many players in the lower league who would offer better value for money andvfuture potential than a Dickov has been who had one good season for Swindon in this division. There is no 'obsession' Red J your just misguided.

[RedJ]

Williams had more than enough chances and given the rurmoured high wage relative to the squad as a whole, would get rid. Would sooner have a Keshi Anderson than him, missed some glorious chances.. alot more than he has scored!

Still don't understand this obsession we've got with Anderson. He's not the answer to our problems in front of goal.




Oh and we were shite. A better team would've killed us off - Bury are truly hopeless at the moment - but we won which is all that matters at the moment.

Haven't posted for a while but what a surprise Red J is straight in on my comment.

Don't flatter yourself pal.

And Keshi Anderson has also done f**k all in front of goal since he left Rovers, so I don't really understand why he would be the answer.

[dickos1]

Shapeless and clueless. These 'systems' fergie has invented are truly terrible. Alcock as winger? Copps turning round to see no one in front of him 9/10?

Good players playing poorly. We got lucky today.

3 wins out of last 5,
Some people will never be happy

I was happy. Go back over my posts lasts season. I was regularly basking in Fergies' free flowing attacking football. So, let's put that one to bed straight away.

Let's get back to the performance yesterday. The original subject. Were you there? When you see the club you love be marginally better out of two poor sides you start to worry. Not bury your head in the sand and pretend we're great.

My point being is that we've played well in a few games this season and not won, people were saying performances were irrelevant and we need to start grinding out wins and becoming hard to beat we've started to do this a little over the last few weeks and people are now moaning about winning ugly

[Donny Exile in York]

Strange how you refer to an 'obsession' with no 'evidence' to back up your assertion pal.

As for Anderson think we all saw his ability on loan with us, and yeah apart from a hattrick for Northampton he hasn't shown the same form as with us but maybe like Marquis he just needs to settle at the right club and benefit from a learning environment with other young players.

[RedJ]

Did I say it was your personal obsession? no. There's been people clamouring for him to come back ever since he left despite the fact that there's nothing to suggest so far that he'd be a regular goalscorer.

[Donny Exile in York]

I don't think there is any obsession by Rovers fans regarding Keshi Anderson. He did well a few years ago. Probably gone off radar for most as he isant scoring regularly. But if he was he would probably be playing in the Championship at least now. So he is probably a realistic target with potential as was Devante Cole until a good run earlier this season. As I said he is one of loads of realistic targets and would get rid of Williams in January if we can and bring a young prospect in  personally with no obsession for Anderson as I was just giving an example, and with Kwioyma to come back with pace, would try and sign someone good in the air and strong to take the pressure off Marquis and a useful foil for him too.

[Donny Exile in York]

I take it Red J you have an obsession that Williams will come good? I really hope he does but time is running out for him..

[RedJ]

I don't have an obsession that Williams will come good. I want him to because I want all of our players to do well, but I don't understand harping on about someone we had on loan a couple of years ago who's achieved not much since.

[GazLaz]

He has brief purple patches where the goals
do go in. He's had two with us.

9 goals in 11 league games around Xmas 2015.
7 goals in 12 league games around Xmas last year.

Those have been good runs and I'd love to have that player in the side.

Trouble is, take those two runs out, and his record with us is 7 goals in 45 league starts. And when he's not scoring, he's not contributing much else to the side. He's not a player to give the defenders a tough physical battle. Or act as a clever link man. Or come deep and put a shift in. In other words, do the stuff that Marquis does when he's not scoring.

It's a shame. I'd love him to succeed as I would all our players. But I stopped expecting it more than 18 months back.

Take out the games when he scores at a rate above his average and you are left with a rate that’s below his average!! Remarkable!! You’ve come back a different man BST, I think this is an imposter.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gaz

Simple point I'm making. When he's in form (for about 15-20% of the time he's been with us) he's excellent. When he's out of form, he remains out of form for very long spells and brings next to nothing to the team.

There's a reason we tried to get rid of him this summer. And a reason no-one wanted him.

[pib]

My recollection was that there was a fair bit of interest, but AW chose to stay put.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fair enough. Then no-one thought he was worth what we are paying him.

[Donny Exile in York]

I don't have an obsession that Williams will come good. I want him to because I want all of our players to do well, but I don't understand harping on about someone we had on loan a couple of years ago who's achieved not much since.

Who's harping on? I made one comment. If your referring to Rovers fans in general as I say I don't think he is on most Rovers fans minds either though I personally think he will still come good in the lower leagues somewhere. Can't say I have read of Rovers fans 'harping on' about Anderson on here. Sounds to me like you have a proverbial bee in your bonnet over nothing.

[drfchound]

Marquis had run his blood to water on his own up front. Williams did his usual job of getting in the right position and missing the target. That lob over the keeper was bordering on pathetic.

Marquis was poor. No quality at all. Williams, if he keeps getting in those positions will score plenty. His movement is good and he takes up goal scoring position. The lob was badly executed, but the right idea. The one that went over the bar from 6 yards was the one! He’s proven over his career he is more than capable of taking these chances. Has to play.

I haven’t seen the Williams lob at Bury but it can’t be any worse than the one JM tried at the KMS when he should have squared the ball to a better placed colleague.

[GazLaz]

Gaz

Simple point I'm making. When he's in form (for about 15-20% of the time he's been with us) he's excellent. When he's out of form, he remains out of form for very long spells and brings next to nothing to the team.

There's a reason we tried to get rid of him this summer. And a reason no-one wanted him.

People were interested, he didn’t go because he didn’t want to leave the area until after his child was born.

[drfchound]

Lots of people banging on about Williams missing a sitter at Bury but no one mentioning the sitter missed by Marquis against Walsall.

Williams goal record per games started last season was very similar to the record of Marquis I seem to recall.

He has barely started for us this season.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound

All strikers miss chances. There's no shame in that. What you do is weigh up their overall contribution.

There's a few people on here suggesting that Marquis was very poor yesterday and that Williams changed the game. That's the Marquis who beat the defence all ends up to lead to the red card. And the Marquis who made a brilliant run beyond the back post to lay the ball back to an unmarked Williams 4 yards from goal. I actually thought that was a tough chance for Williams at the time, but looking at the replay, Marquis brilliantly put it on a plate for Williams and it was an awful miss.

The lob, by the way, was pretty dreadful. Cleared the bar by 3-4 yards and entirely cleared the net, and landed on the hoardings on the wall at the front of the stand.

As I say, all strikers miss those chances and things like that are excusable. If there's a lot of other stuff in the positive column. Which is precisely the problem.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gaz. I'll take your word for it. But in that case, it doesn't say much for the lad's drive to reinvigorate his career.

[GazLaz]

Gaz. I'll take your word for it. But in that case, it doesn't say much for the lad's drive to reinvigorate his career.

His Mrs is under a specialist at the hospital after previous pregnancy complications.

[dickos1]

Ive been a big critic of Williams, mainly because he cheats and pretends he's trying,
Like pretending he thought the ball was going over his and the centre halves head so running away leaving the centre half a free header.
But at times he does change games and he does have good movement, but he misses a lot of chances after getting himself in good positions.

Marquis doesn't seem to have the same knack of getting into good positions but when he does he finishes it off more often.

Williams is also effective coming off the bench and I don't think marquis would be

[BillyStubbsTears]

Gaz

In which case I sincerely hope it all works out for them. Presumably, if and when the pregnancy works out well, he'll be looking to take up the other options in January?

[Bessie Red]

Ive been a big critic of Williams, mainly because he cheats and pretends he's trying,
Like pretending he thought the ball was going over his and the centre halves head so running away leaving the centre half a free header.
But at times he does change games and he does have good movement, but he misses a lot of chances after getting himself in good positions.

Marquis doesn't seem to have the same knack of getting into good positions but when he does he finishes it off more often.

Williams is also effective coming off the bench and I don't think marquis would be

Marquis looked pretty effective when he came off the bench at Arsenal!!

[bpoolrover]

Very harsh thread really as he has hardly had any game time this season, hardly his fault were not playing at our best

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

It's not about this season for me. It's about his overall contribution over 2.5 years.

I didn't intend this to be a "knock Williams" thread by the way. My original frustrationat much of yesterday's performance revolved around what I thought were either poorly conceived or poorly executed tactics against 10 men. The only reason I started discussing Williams was that I found it hard to fathom where Gaz got the impression that he had changed the game.

[Chris Black come back]

We all have our favourites. Nowt wrong with that.

Gaz always rates Williams and Rowe.