Government defeat

[Sprotyrover]

When did I say I had any such idea? When I googled bigotry I got a different answer to you, because you googled putting the word racist in front,stirring the pot as usual eh ?

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty

No. It won’t have doubled the size of its economy. If the projections are correct, it will have increased the size of its economy by more than 6 fold by 2050, and increased its GDP per capita (ie living standards) by more than 3 fold. 

Why don’t YOU look at the numbers instead of throwing out idle, out of date criticisms?

We can re visit this subject in 2050 , if the History of post colonial African continue to repeat itself,I will be vindicated.

[Glyn_Wigley]

When did I say I had any such idea? When I googled bigotry I got a different answer to you, because you googled putting the word racist in front,stirring the pot as usual eh ?

Complete b*llocks as usual. I used the words 'bigotry definition'. So you can shove the word 'racist' back up the orifice of yours you plucked it from. I can only assume you used it in Google search out of a guilty conscience.

Or more likely that you're the one deliberately stirring the shit as usual, given that using the words 'bigotry' and 'racist' in Google don't provide any link to the one I got the definition from. So you're crap at lying to get out of the corner you paint yourself into as well. Even more so when the link I gave doesn't mention the word 'racism' at all either.

Still waiting to be educated as to how leaving the EU will affect how we treat immigration from Nigeria!

[Sprotyrover]

If you look at your original post and read the link you put on there you will see where I am coming from. Now crawl back under your stone or say something constructive by way of a change

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

No. It won’t have doubled the size of its economy. If the projections are correct, it will have increased the size of its economy by more than 6 fold by 2050, and increased its GDP per capita (ie living standards) by more than 3 fold. 

Why don’t YOU look at the numbers instead of throwing out idle, out of date criticisms?

We can re visit this subject in 2050 , if the History of post colonial African continue to repeat itself,I will be vindicated.

Sproty

It’s literally impossible to argue with you if that’s the approach you take. I’m giving you reasoned projections from a company whose job it is to study these issues (there’s similar figures available from McKinsey too).

So, where we’ve got to is that you support Leave because of a threat that has nothing to do with the EU and is based on an assessment of yours that ignores easily accessible data and analysis. And your support of Leave also ignores huge amounts of other reasoned argument which predicts that the grandkids you are trying to protect from this phantom are actually going to be significantly poorer precisely because of Brexit.

Can you see how that comes across?

[Sprotyrover]

Yes let’s agree to disagree

[BillyStubbsTears]

Problem being, that your decision is also going to leave MY kids considerably worse off too.

[Glyn_Wigley]

If you look at your original post and read the link you put on there you will see where I am coming from. Now crawl back under your stone or say something constructive by way of a change

You mean the original post and link that makes no mention of race, colour or creed whatsoever?

Is accusing someone of calling you a racist when you know it's completely untrue the lowest you will go to to deflect from the contect your own posts or are there any further depths for you to plumb?

[wilts rover]

I have had many arguments and disagreements over the years with Sproty on this forum where I thought he was factually wrong or misguided but what I would never ever say from any of those exchanges is that I have ever thought he was racist. Nor have my views on that changed from anything he has written in this post. Misguided yes, and maybe a bit naive for choosing a single black african country for his point, but that doesnt make him a racist.

Actually I think he is pretty typical of what I have been saying about those who voted leave (even though he didn't vote himself) in that to most of them it was an emotional decision rather than a rational economic one.

When Sproty (and that bloke from Barnsley) did his O level geography Britain was rolling back its former Empire and moving away from being a major world power to just another country that needs to do deals to get by. Being part of the EU has held us back and now the shackles are off (to use a racist term) we can push forward to our true place as a major world power again.

It's the sort of argument that thinks 1066 & All That (when Britain was top nation) is a history book rather than satire. There will be many more in the months to come.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I have had many arguments and disagreements over the years with Sproty on this forum where I thought he was factually wrong or misguided but what I would never ever say from any of those exchanges is that I have ever thought he was racist. Nor have my views on that changed from anything he has written in this post. Misguided yes, and maybe a bit naive for choosing a single black african country for his point, but that doesnt make him a racist.

Nobody has called him a racist, certainly not me.

[Sprotyrover]

I am sorry if this has escalated when I googled Bigotry it brought up, a dictionary answer merely stating that referring to someone who disagrees with the views of others. I assumed Glynn searched until he found an entry which suited his agenda. Whilst out and about I googled on my IPhone and it didn't bring up the same page or entry so I accept that I have been a little Harsh with Glynn and I apologise.
I referred to Nigeria merely because the info about the boom in population was aired in the media last week, 59 Nigerians were also shot in Libya as they tried to enter illegally last week.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I accept the apology but I still don't like the fact that your first instinct was to assume I have an agenda. I don't, As I said, I got the definition to give readers a better idea of what the word means. I deliberately made no other comment in that post because I didn't want anyone to think I was trying to influence their thinking, the very opposite of having an agenda.

[hoolahoop]

Big H I agree but we wil be in charge of who we let in, not some silly house wife in Berlin,the Mediterranean is about to become a swimming pool and the Eu which traditionally under spends on Defence will expect the U.K. To put the shoulder to the cart.
We are getting out at the right time mark my words, those Syrian fuguees Angie let in 2 years ago will soon be able to claim Eu passports, how many of them are sleepers ? Nobody knows but we do know some are! Also the 700 idiots who bogged off to the 'Promised land' can also sneak back in,the EU was a nice cosy little club 30 years ago today that isn't the case.

Please tell me you are joking, this series of posts surely doesn't reflect you as a person ?
Are you just trying to stir up the debate if so good on you for trying to shake the racists and bigots out of the trees .

[hoolahoop]

Problem being, that your decision is also going to leave MY kids considerably worse off too.

And mine , now can you see why we are so fecking furious !!!

[Sprotyrover]

Hoopla since when does somebody having a different view or opinion than your own make them a lesser or bad person? I am still an affable chap, I just don't want this Country  to become part of a United States of Europe.

[bobjimwilly]

I just don't want this Country  to become part of a United States of Europe.

you're implying that us "remainers" do, and that it is inevitable. the ironic thing is whilst we were are in the EU we get to vote against such ideas e.g. Turkey being admitted, which we never would have allowed.

Anyway, I digress. Let's all look to the future where we, and our children, will pay more for less...

[Glyn_Wigley]

I just don't want this Country  to become part of a United States of Europe.

you're implying that us "remainers" do, and that it is inevitable. the ironic thing is whilst we were are in the EU we get to vote against such ideas e.g. Turkey being admitted, which we never would have allowed.

Anyway, I digress. Let's all look to the future where we, and our children, will pay more for less...

Actually, Turkey cannot become a member of the EU until they sign the ECHR, which would mean they'd have to abolish the death penalty even before their application being considered - which I can't see Turkey doing anytime soon, certainly not for a generation at least. Yet Farage stirred it up saying the Turks were already lining up to invade us. And loads of mugs believed him and did his bidding.

[hoolahoop]

Hoopla since when does somebody having a different view or opinion than your own make them a lesser or bad person? I am still an affable chap, I just don't want this Country  to become part of a United States of Europe.

It doesn't and I have to say that initially I thought you were joking when you raised the issue of Nigerians making the 4365 mile trek by land ,sea and air to invade our green and pleasant land . When have we ever lost the right to secure our borders from this " sea of humanity " ? That's right NEVER !

I really hope you haven't just stuck a pin in a map just to create a new and again unreal fear to motivate people as like-minded as you obviously are. Turkey having been disproved as bunkum so you pick Nigeria as someone said earlier "Jesus wept  "
Has someone from Nigeria scammed you ?

[Sprotyrover]

Hoopla I haven't got a problem with Nigeria, it's the fact that the population is set to more than double in the next 30 years,they are losing vast reaches of the North to the Sahara, climate change is causing frequent flooding in the Niger delta, and they still cook with firewood.the Nigerian govt is trying to stop that happening by a massive tree planting operation in the north,Hey goats eat tree leaves!, it will take them a 100 years to turn that Oil tanker around, good luck to them. Also the human trafficking route across the Sahara is already in use.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hoopla I haven't got a problem with Nigeria, it's the fact that the population is set to more than double in the next 30 years,they are losing vast reaches of the North to the Sahara, climate change is causing frequent flooding in the Niger delta, and they still cook with firewood.the Nigerian govt is trying to stop that happening by a massive tree planting operation in the north,Hey goats eat tree leaves!, it will take them a 100 years to turn that Oil tanker around, good luck to them. Also the human trafficking route across the Sahara is already in use.

What I don't understand - and I've asked several times now, is why you've used Nigeria as a reason to vote to leave the EU?

[Sprotyrover]

Hoopla I haven't got a problem with Nigeria, it's the fact that the population is set to more than double in the next 30 years,they are losing vast reaches of the North to the Sahara, climate change is causing frequent flooding in the Niger delta, and they still cook with firewood.the Nigerian govt is trying to stop that happening by a massive tree planting operation in the north,Hey goats eat tree leaves!, it will take them a 100 years to turn that Oil tanker around, good luck to them. Also the human trafficking route across the Sahara is already in use.

What I don't understand - and I've asked several times now, is why you've used Nigeria as a reason to vote to leave the EU?

There were 2 news items last week one was the growth in Nigerias population and the second related to the murder of 59 Nigerian economic immigrants in Libya,I merely used Nigeria as I wrongly assumed other board members had also see the National news,clearly not!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hoopla I haven't got a problem with Nigeria, it's the fact that the population is set to more than double in the next 30 years,they are losing vast reaches of the North to the Sahara, climate change is causing frequent flooding in the Niger delta, and they still cook with firewood.the Nigerian govt is trying to stop that happening by a massive tree planting operation in the north,Hey goats eat tree leaves!, it will take them a 100 years to turn that Oil tanker around, good luck to them. Also the human trafficking route across the Sahara is already in use.

What I don't understand - and I've asked several times now, is why you've used Nigeria as a reason to vote to leave the EU?

There were 2 news items last week one was the growth in Nigerias population and the second related to the murder of 59 Nigerian economic immigrants in Libya,I merely used Nigeria as I wrongly assumed other board members had also see the National news,clearly not!

So what?? What has all that waffle got to do with leaving the EU?

[Sprotyrover]

http://nigeriahealthwatch.com/the-elephant-in-the-room-nigerias-population-growth-crisis/
There you go Glynn.I answered your question in my first post. The figures in this article are far more accurate than a financial institution trying to promote the country.

[Glyn_Wigley]

http://nigeriahealthwatch.com/the-elephant-in-the-room-nigerias-population-growth-crisis/
There you go Glynn.I answered your question in my first post. The figures in this article are far more accurate than a financial institution trying to promote the country.

I can't see anything in there about what difference the UK being in or out of the EU makes, which is the question I'm asking. All I can see is waffle about Nigerian population growth forecasts, which I'm not the slightest bit interested in, or asking about - because it has nothing at all to do with the UK's relationship with the EU.

Answer the question - why are you using Nigeria as a reason for the UK leaving the EU? Or are you going to post another irrelevant link and say 'there you are'?

[Sprotyrover]

I am not answering any more of you drivelling questions .Do NOT use me in your posts  when you try to patronise other posters!

[Glyn_Wigley]

You ought to know what patronising means before you accuse people of it.

[del boy]

I feel condescending is better word to use when describing Glyn or another phrase could be argumentative pillock. Not sure which suits him better.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I am not answering any more of you drivelling questions.

How can you not answer any more of my questions when you haven't even answered one simple one?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I feel condescending is better word to use when describing Glyn or another phrase could be argumentative pillock. Not sure which suits him better.

Nice of you to pop up and join in. Now, if I was to say it was nice to see you have crawled out from under your stone, would that be condescending of me or not?

[del boy]

I feel condescending is better word to use when describing Glyn or another phrase could be argumentative pillock. Not sure which suits him better.

Nice of you to pop up and join in. Now, if I was to say it was nice to see you have crawled out from under your stone, would that be condescending of me or not?

As usual Glyn very selective again with the parts of the quotes  you use, you completely ignored the argumentative pillock bit.