Erhun Oztumer

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Hat trick today. Been impressed with what I've seen from the little man. Has a touch of magic about him. A natural successor???

[Jimmydee]

I would love to see him playing in a rovers shirt

[Retdon1]

He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.

[Filo]

He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.

Out of contract at the end of the season I believe

[Bentley Bullet]

Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?

[dickos1]

Lots of players do, better contracts, better facilities more ambition.
We've signed players before from clubs who were doing better than us.
Mcindoe being a prime example

[selby]

  B.B. never degrades a player but the whole club?

[Bentley Bullet]

Both Yeovil and Rovers had been promoted when McIndoe signed for us in pre-season, so they were hardly doing better than us. If you're using that as a prime example it shows there can't be many occasions where a player has genuinely 'upgraded' to us from a higher ranking club.

And Selby, what are you on about?

[RoversAlias]

Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?

Whilst I think Oztumer should be looking higher than this division anyway, there is no reason at all why a player wouldn't trade Walsall for Rovers based on a small differential in league position. The results between the two sides are even less relevant.

[Bentley Bullet]

RA, your second line contradicts your first line by saying there's no reason why he wouldn't sign for Rovers when on your first line you say he should be looking higher than this division. Surely that is a reason why he shouldn't sign for Rovers?

[The Red Baron]

Why would he want to sign for a team who are lower in the league and his present club has done the double over this season?

Whilst I think Oztumer should be looking higher than this division anyway, there is no reason at all why a player wouldn't trade Walsall for Rovers based on a small differential in league position. The results between the two sides are even less relevant.

I wonder if he is considered too small to play at Championship level? Ability wise, he's more than good enough.

[RoversAlias]

RA, your second line contradicts your first line by saying there's no reason why he wouldn't sign for Rovers when on your first line you say he should be looking higher than this division. Surely that is a reason why he shouldn't sign for Rovers?

No I haven't contradicted myself because I'm not referring specifically to Oztumer in the second part of my post. I disagree with your fundamental point as it pertains to all players, I don't believe a player would turn us down just because we lost to his team in the season or finished a couple of places behind them in lower mid-table.

Oztumer himself specifically is too good for this division technically, but yes Baron you may be right that higher level clubs haven't gone for him due to his small stature.

[Colemans Left Hook]

it's pretty obvious that if Birmingham get relegated he will sign for them (Sunderland is a bit cold for him) end of ............   but people re free to dream

[Bentley Bullet]

RA, I was referring to the player named in the thread title. He is obviously a good player, and as much as I'd like him here, I see no reason why he would find Rovers a significant enough climb up the ladder in terms of comparable team ability or ambition. Walsall's higher league position and their double over us would do nothing to persuade him otherwise.

[RedJ]

it's pretty obvious that if Birmingham get relegated he will sign for them (Sunderland is a bit cold for him) end of ............   but people re free to dream

Why? they might not even be interested in him. Absolutely nothing other than geographical location to suggest he'd sign for them...

[IDM]

Both Yeovil and Rovers had been promoted when McIndoe signed for us in pre-season, so they were hardly doing better than us. If you're using that as a prime example it shows there can't be many occasions where a player has genuinely 'upgraded' to us from a higher ranking club.

And Selby, what are you on about?

Lawlor, Whiteman, Williams to name but 3...

[scawsby steve]

RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.

[Bentley Bullet]

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?

[BillyStubbsTears]

RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.

That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.

[dickos1]

Yeovil had just finished about 15 points ahead of us and just spanked us 4-0 at our ground.
Hayter, o Connor, wellens,

[dickos1]

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?

Williams wasn't,
I agree it's not the same when you're signing youngsters

[Bentley Bullet]

But it was pre-season prior to both teams being promoted, so neither team was higher in ranking than the other! It's quite possible McIndoe signed for financial reasons, or because he'd fallen out with Yeovil's manager, or both, but he didn't sign for us as a lower ranking club.

[Bentley Bullet]

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't Lawlor, Whiteman and Williams reserve players for their respective clubs prior to joining Rovers, in which case meant signing for us was a climb up the ladder in terms of first-team football for all three of them?

Williams wasn't,
I agree it's not the same when you're signing youngsters

I think you'll find Williams was out of favour at Swindon.

[scawsby steve]

RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.

That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.

By God, you've got me there, Billy. I didn't know that; I assumed he'd come over here from Turkey.

[Colemans Left Hook]

RedJ, you're absolutely right. If geographical location was the yardstick, he'd probably sign for a Turkish club, and it'd be a damned sight warmer than here.

That’d be odd given that he was born and brought up in Greenwich.

you've got to "draw the line" somewhere
 

[dickos1]

But it was pre-season prior to both teams being promoted, so neither team was higher in ranking than the other! It's quite possible McIndoe signed for financial reasons, or because he'd fallen out with Yeovil's manager, or both, but he didn't sign for us as a lower ranking club.

He's not going to be signing for us now, it would be in the summer and we may have finished higher than them in the league. We were above them only a few hours ago.

Mcindoe probably did move to us for financial reasons which is one of the reasons I have why a player may come to us from Walsall

[RoversAlias]

RA, I was referring to the player named in the thread title. He is obviously a good player, and as much as I'd like him here, I see no reason why he would find Rovers a significant enough climb up the ladder in terms of comparable team ability or ambition. Walsall's higher league position and their double over us would do nothing to persuade him otherwise.

That's fine, I was more speaking to the overall point myself though and anyway, I don't think Oztumer would turn us down for those reasons you stated if we were to make a move. The financial package and who else is after him would probably be the determining factors.

I believe Andy Williams is an excellent example of a player joining us from a club of perceived higher station. He had just come off a season in which he had scored 21 league goals for a side that finished 4th in the table and aside from being used as an impact sub in 6 of the last dozen games of the season had been a constant fixture in the side and their top scorer. You would have to be very picky to argue against that as a signing of an 'out of favour' player.

[dickos1]

I think you'll find he scored 21 goals the season before we signed him

[Retdon1]

He’s a quality player. I was surprised Peterborough let him go to Walsall. Doubt he would cost a fortune but weather we have any money to spend is debatable.

Out of contract at the end of the season I believe

Well in that case if i was Ferguson I’d be doing everything I could to sign him in the summer... did he play for fergy at Peterborough??. With several  high earners off the wage bill in the summer we will be in a good position to strengthen the squad in the summer.

[Bentley Bullet]

Williams was on the bench at the end of the season, and Swindon didn't offer him a contract.