The use of Nerve Agent in the UK

[Sprotyrover]

Bloody hell me and Jeremy Corbyn agreeing about something... the Ukrainian govt being the prime suspect!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well if we’re going into conspiracy theories, David Icke reckons it might all be a stitch up an all.

https://www.davidicke.com/article/462451/spy-saga-hysteria-rumors-amid-ongoing-probe-ex-agent-skripal-poisoning

[selby]

  Billy, I must be getting better if you think only one line of mine is stupid.
    Feeling quite chuffed with myself now.

[Sprotyrover]

Couple of things bugging me, no arrest have been made, we ain't talking about a tube station in rush hour London.we are looking at a backwater where everybody knows everybody,who ever administered the substance did so in the resteraunt or the pub. It was done discreetly so the best bet is their meal was tampered with.
So it was a member of staff in the resteraunt. Even Barbara Cartland could solve this one.
I do know that Wiltsher Police are more geared up to finding lost dogs and issuing Pedlars certificates but surely the dizzy Cows in charge of the Country and Home Office could find time to put their knitting down and send in the Men from the Yard!

[selby]

  Sporty, the last report I saw was that it may have been smeared on the door handles of their car.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby

I didn’t think anything you had previously written was stupid. I disagreed with what you’d said but I didn’t think it was stupid.

That line about EU countries never helping though is just daft. I’m assuming/hoping you meant it as a joke.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Same as Litvinenko probably

so the "method" has changed over the years  always remember when the Midland Bank opened the first British office in Russia -- sadly the head of that office had an untimely "fall" from grace  in1983 amazed I can find reference to it on the internet

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/03/world/doubts-in-moscow-on-briton-s-death.html

also remember the words "I spy with my little eye " floating around

[Sprotyrover]

  Sporty, the last report I saw was that it may have been smeared on the door handles of their car.

That's interesting,very naive way of doing it, probably 20/30 CCTV systems operating in the immediate vicinity plus folks with Dash cams.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

Get with the project mate. Putin doesn’t give a flying f**k about being found out. The agent will be back in Moscow now. The whole point is about showing how little of a shit Moscow gives about us.

[wilts rover]

Couple of things bugging me, no arrest have been made, we ain't talking about a tube station in rush hour London.we are looking at a backwater where everybody knows everybody,who ever administered the substance did so in the resteraunt or the pub. It was done discreetly so the best bet is their meal was tampered with.
So it was a member of staff in the resteraunt. Even Barbara Cartland could solve this one.
I do know that Wiltsher Police are more geared up to finding lost dogs and issuing Pedlars certificates but surely the dizzy Cows in charge of the Country and Home Office could find time to put their knitting down and send in the Men from the Yard!

I am not quite sure where to start talking about a tourist city with a medieval cathedral just down the road from Stonehenge, but as you dont appear to know the Met Counter-Terrorism Branch took over last Tuesday, 8 days ago, I wont bother.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/06/counter-terrorism-take-on-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-poison-case

They lived in an estate outside the city centre Sproty so no CCTV round there - unless their neighbours had some.

It's very unlikely they were poisoned in the city that afternoon. Of all the people they came into contact with, the only other person who has been hospitalised is the police officer who went to the house. So the indications are they got it there. Maybe on the car, maybe not.

The person who applied the poison may never have been in Salisbury - they may never have been in the country. It may have come through the post, it may have been something the daughter brought over. There's a lot more knitting to be done on this case yet.

[Sprotyrover]

Wilts yes I was aware that the counter terroism unit became involved very quickly it's part of the National anti terror it protocols that exist.
I was merely emphasising the fact that it is in a quiet backwater, their movements that day have been easily documented,but even on Private housing estates there is CCTV and in shripals case it will be covert and abundant around his house,also every car that has entered or left Salisbury will have been checked on the Police National Computer so if you have got anything dodgy going on, you will be getting a knock on the door.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

Funny that Andrei Lugavoi has never had a knock on his door despite the copious CCTV footage pinning him to the place where Litvinenko was poisoned. Or the trail of radioactivity that just happened to be found on the planes he’d taken across Europe.

Still, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. Putin’s nowt to be worried about is he?

[selby]

  No offence taken Billy, I was trying to get a wider discussion going really, Not a subtle  way to do it I admit.
  I agree about Putin's dismissive view on  our ability to stop his posturing, but in this case he just may have gone too far, far more moves will be going on behind the scenes than we will be privy to, especially if the banks become involved, an area where we are still a force to be reckoned with globally, and can do him damage.

[Filo]

The Russians are now saying that Soviet Russia and the Russian Federation never had a programme to develop Novichok, why did n't they day? 😀😀😀😀😀


Only the Russian Embassy in London tweeted that ex Russian spies defected to the UK so we would know how to make it now 🤔🤔🤔🤔


So where did these ex Russian spies learn how to make it if Russie did n't develop it 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔


I think the Russians are telling little fibs 😂😂😂😂

[Nudga]

Lots on claims of a false flag operation on twitter.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Nudge. I’d be astonished if they weren’t. The Internet Research Agency is a very efficient organisation. 

[Nudga]

We'll never know though will we? The government give us enough info to get worried about the filthy Russians but g it go quiet in a few more days.
That Russian spy dude was probably on a night shift at the Kryptonite factory near Salisbury, fell asleep in his nuclear soup and then went for a beer before he got f**ked up.
Governments all over it quick sharp, blame the Russians, The Russians are coming.
Meanwhile in Donny, nudga is getting  slightly nervous about the Red Bear tearing shit up when I get a letter from the council telling me my council tax bill  has gone up.
They cant pull the wool over my eyes I tell thee.

[Sprotyrover]

So if it does pan out to be the Russians,bearing in mind we were wrong over the Iraq war and wrong to bomb the Serbs in 2002.
Militarily what can we do, the only way we can cause mischief towards them is to impose a no fly ban over Syria and stand by at RAF Akouritri for the big Dogfight.
We can then shoot down the inevitable Russian Spy Bomber when it flies down the Irish Sea towards Cheltenham (GCHQ).
If they send any nice new warships into our Pond like they did at Christmas we convert a trawler reinforce its bows and then our Auxiliary Fishery Protection vessel' HMS Boatyboatykicka da Ruski Ass 'accidently collides with the Ruski ship (remember the Icelandic fish war) that little lot should escalate things nicely!

[RedJ]

It's a little disturbing how keen you seem on war in one theatre or another breaking out...

[Sprotyrover]

It's a little disturbing how keen you seem on war in one theatre or another breaking out...

Got to look after my British aerospace shares mate😉

[wilts rover]

Interesting developments this evening. In November 2017 the OPCW declared that they had overseen and verified the destruction of all of Russia's stockpile of chemical weapons.

That doesn't mean that the Salisbury attack wasn't Russia - but it does mean someone somewhere has got something badly wrong. We''ll hear more about this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/15/uks-claims-questioned-doubts-emerge-about-source-of-salisburys-novichok

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wilts. Just a thought. Maybe Putin’s been lying to th...

Nah. Couldn’t possibly be. He’s obviously a man we can sit down with and discuss things in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

[Filo]

Interesting developments this evening. In November 2017 the OPCW declared that they had overseen and verified the destruction of all of Russia's stockpile of chemical weapons.

That doesn't mean that the Salisbury attack wasn't Russia - but it does mean someone somewhere has got something badly wrong. We''ll hear more about this.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/15/uks-claims-questioned-doubts-emerge-about-source-of-salisburys-novichok

Only 5 months ago, maybe they missed the sachet of powder in Putins top draw

[BillyStubbsTears]

I figured it wouldn’t be long before this one put in his two pennorth.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43414025

If he wasn’t a scheming, devious, manipulating zealot, I’d call him an idiot for what he’s saying here: They’ve never told me what I have to say on my show therefore there’s no propaganda on RT.

Like I say, he’s too smart to be that stupid, so he’s willingly ignoring how propaganda works. You don’t make believable propaganda by churning it out every second of the day. You give the impression of a free and fair approach by allowing free and fair content a good proportion of the time. Then, when you slide the propaganda in, in other programmes, it doesn’t come across as propaganda.

Course Salmond and Putin have a common goal. Salmond’s entire existence is aimed at separating Scotland from the U.K.  That would fundamentally weaken us as a regional power. And Putin wants all the stronger nations in Europe weakened so that Russia is freer to project its power.

A well-matched pair.

[German Rover]

It's a little disturbing how keen you seem on war in one theatre or another breaking out...

Got to look after my British aerospace shares mate😉

I'd put money on that you've never been to war. If you had you wouldn't joke about sending a generation of this countries young men off to their death.  Horrible!

[Sprotyrover]

It's a little disturbing how keen you seem on war in one theatre or another breaking out...

Got to look after my British aerospace shares mate😉

I'd put money on that you've never been to war. If you had you wouldn't joke about sending a generation of this countries young men off to their death.  Horrible!

And neither have you unless you are over 90 years old.

[hoolahoop]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/12/tory-links-russia-saudi-links-corbyn-spy-extremism

There may be a question of timing but I don't think there's any question of substance.

I agree about the links but there's no escaping the obvious political opportunism here . A  definite and foolish own goal that Corbyn has gifted his political opponents . Expect this to be played to the electorate time and again at the next council and national elections .

I think this one action may have undone all the hard work achieved at the last snap election - it was May's " Thatcher moment " and JC has once again gifted the right wing hawks in the Tory Party all the political capital they need to offset at least some of the Brexit " losses .
They ( the Tories ) have dug a grave for themselves and JC has dived into it. 

 

[hoolahoop]

Asking the PM to send a sample of the nerve agent to Russia for them to check it out is beyond stupid. What the hell does he think the outcome of that would be? They get it, check it and say, “Oh sorry! Fair cop”?

If they got a sample, they would test it, find it negative and scream from the rooftops that they were vindicated.

He's either being naive in the extreme here, in implicitly trusting Russia to be straight. Or...well God knows “or what...”

Yes and we know how well versed the Russians are  in altering samples given how their athletes stand up to scrutiny and are banned from marching under the Russian flag.
Just how naive is Corbyn, surely he should have learnt the lessons from the downed Malaysian MH17 and the interference with the Dutch investigation on the ground.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Sporty, the last report I saw was that it may have been smeared on the door handles of their car.

That's interesting,very naive way of doing it, probably 20/30 CCTV systems operating in the immediate vicinity plus folks with Dash cams.

So it wasn't smeared on the handles when the car was sat outside their house then?

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's a little disturbing how keen you seem on war in one theatre or another breaking out...

Got to look after my British aerospace shares mate😉

I'd put money on that you've never been to war. If you had you wouldn't joke about sending a generation of this countries young men off to their death.  Horrible!

And neither have you unless you are over 90 years old.

Bloody hell, how old were the soldiers we sent to Afghanistan?? Ben Parkinson looks good for his age, doesn't he?