Facebook Fined .....Referendum result tainted ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less

How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.

[bpoolrover]

That's because you are employed!

[bpoolrover]

Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less

How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.

where have you answered yes glum?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Just deflect the question glyn I expected nothing less

How is answering 'Yes' deflecting the question? What a prize berk.

where have you answered yes glum?

Erm...the very first word of my reply that you said deflected your question!! Are you really too dense to have noticed it?

[Glyn_Wigley]

That's because you are employed!

Who is this directed at?

[bpoolrover]

Why you getting personal? I didn't see that reply or I wouldn't have said would I? So your going back to the thatcher years when it's happened in every labour government! Do
You not care about people in your community?

[bpoolrover]

That's because you are employed!

Who is this directed at?

macho

[Glyn_Wigley]

Why you getting personal? I didn't see that reply or I wouldn't have said would I? So your going back to the thatcher years when it's happened in every labour government! Do
You not care about people in your community?

Of course you saw the reply - it's the one that you said deflected your question!

[bpoolrover]

Ok I didn’t read it properly and didn’t see the reply does that make you feel better glyn

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's not about me feeling better.

[bpoolrover]

Ok

[Not Now Kato]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

Lies, lies and damn statistics.  You believe all three it seems!

[bpoolrover]

Why because I don't believe any of my family will lose there job, and why is my question dreamed up? Not once since 1929 ish has a labour government left office with more people in work when they got into power. So going off that glyn will you still vote labour and risk your families jobs?

Lies, lies and damn statistics.  You believe all three it seems!

which bit Is wrong?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool

The point is that it’s a meaningless measurement.

Look at the last Labour Govt. They came to power on 2 May 1997. Unemployment was lower than it was that day for the next 4150 days, before dramatically rising (as it did in every single developed country) due to the Great Financial Crash.

That is an incomparably better record than the Tory Govt of 1979-97. Then unemployment fell slightly for the first year before exploding out of control and staying above the 1979 level for the next 17 years.

You focussing in the start and end levels is silly. Here’s an exact analogy to demonstrate why.

Imagine a manager took over a football team in 10th place in the Premier League. A team that hadn’t finished higher than that for the previous 17 years. He then guided them to a top 5 finish for every one of the next 10 years before hitting problems and finishing 12th for two years then getting sacked. Would you say “Failure! He left them worse than he found them?” Would you ignore the intervening years and just look at the start and end? Of course you wouldn’t because that would be stupid. So why do it with a Government?

[wilts rover]

Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.

I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?

A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...

But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.

[bpoolrover]

I never said there was no decent jobs, what I said was that a lot of the jobs were going to polish etc. Who were willing to work 90 hours a week so the locals who understandably didnt or couldn’t work 90 hours a week didn’t get a look in, but to be fair there are not many jobs but there hasn’t whatever government has been in power

[bpoolrover]

Bpool

The point is that it’s a meaningless measurement.

Look at the last Labour Govt. They came to power on 2 May 1997. Unemployment was lower than it was that day for the next 4150 days, before dramatically rising (as it did in every single developed country) due to the Great Financial Crash.

That is an incomparably better record than the Tory Govt of 1979-97. Then unemployment fell slightly for the first year before exploding out of control and staying above the 1979 level for the next 17 years.

You focussing in the start and end levels is silly. Here’s an exact analogy to demonstrate why.

Imagine a manager took over a football team in 10th place in the Premier League. A team that hadn’t finished higher than that for the previous 17 years. He then guided them to a top 5 finish for every one of the next 10 years before hitting problems and finishing 12th for two years then getting sacked. Would you say “Failure! He left them worse than he found them?” Would you ignore the intervening years and just look at the start and end? Of course you wouldn’t because that would be stupid. So why do it with a Government?

thanks for the reply bst, to be fair your right after looking into it a bit more the tories and labour have very similar percentage on unemployment

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool

Not over the past 40 years they don’t. The average number of unemployed under Labour has been around 1 million. Under the Tories it’s been nearly 2 million.

Not even close.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.

I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?

A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...

But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.

That's not what he said though.

[wilts rover]

Blackpool is correct, every Labour government has left office with unemployment higher than when it began (although some only marginally so). What he fails to mention is that during the intervening periods it has often been higher under a Tory government.

I am also surprised that he has not mentioned the general Tory complaint that Labour can't manage to run the economy and always raise the national debt under them. Is this because the current Tory government has tripled the national debt since they have been in power and have run up more debt than that by every Labour government put together?

A few months ago there were big scare stories in the media about how there would be a run on the pound if Labour came to power. There is currently a run on the pound...

But to go back to Blackpool's comments on unemployment and the title of this thread. Am I the only person who has been struck by someone on another thread saying they voted for Brexit because there no decent jobs in their area, now congratulating the government over their employment figures? It's a funny old world.

That's not what he said though.

I thought I would help

I never said there was no decent jobs, what I said was that a lot of the jobs were going to polish etc. Who were willing to work 90 hours a week so the locals who understandably didnt or couldn’t work 90 hours a week didn’t get a look in, but to be fair there are not many jobs but there hasn’t whatever government has been in power

So you would agree then that the current employment figures are a pretty meaningless statistic and no real indicator of whether people have a 'proper' job or not?

New Labour created a lot of jobs in local authorities, especially in the north & south-west. These were slashed by the Coalition and continued under Cameron and May, whose priorities have been continuing privatisation of services, austerity cuts for the general public and tax cuts for the rich rather than creating good jobs.

Corbyn has said that his priority is creating jobs, the make it in Britain campaign he launched the other week, re-nationalising public services & ending outsourcing in the NHS etc. You will also note he has said he wants a 'jobs first Brexit' whereas May & Rees-Mogg want the ability to do trade deals and have never said this will create jobs (although people who support their view have said it  will loose them).

[bpoolrover]

Wilts every leader says they will create jobs, in Blackpool south as I referred 2, unless you knock half of it down and start again nothing will change mate, a few years ago Blackpool was favourite to get a super casino and unfortunately it fell thru and Blackpool south was left to rot(bit off topic I know)

[hoolahoop]

What have the merits of whose unemployment figures were better got to do with the thread's title re. Is the Referendum result tainted and should it stand given all the facts that are being teased out .
True democracy should be about the determination of voters to revisit results brought about by undemocratic means as in this case and to a far higher level than even Carole Cardwalladr could ever imagine and subsequently uncovered in her quest for the truth. Where are all the other journalists digging into this story , is there an embargo on them uncovering more of the lies with her ? 
Have they been frightened off the story because the silence is deafening ?

[bpoolrover]

This is not a go at you hoola but if they had another referendum and leave won again would you accept the result?

[hoolahoop]

Wilts every leader says they will create jobs, in Blackpool south as I referred 2, unless you knock half of it down and start again nothing will change mate, a few years ago Blackpool was favourite to get a super casino and unfortunately it fell thru and Blackpool south was left to rot(bit off topic I know)

All this had NOTHING to do with the EU  apart from the fact that they encouraged our Governments of the day to channel money into poorer areas - the North - West was part of this exercise . Has it bpool ? Did they cause the infrastructure to crumble with some regulations on bananas or the like ?

[bpoolrover]

I know that's why I said bit off topic mate

[hoolahoop]

This is not a go at you hoola but if they had another referendum and leave won again would you accept the result?

Yes of course I would providing that all the facts were out there for all to see as they should have been in the first place.

[bpoolrover]

Problem you have it's like the general election both parties promise the world and deliver pretty much none of it, politics is full of lies and promises you just have to work out what's right and wrong

[bpoolrover]

Ok thanks for the answer hoola, I'm going leave the thread now as I'm not the best at explains things in writing lol, I hope everything works out for you hoola one way or the other

[hoolahoop]

I know that's why I said bit off topic mate

What worries me the most is that you didn't read my posts or comment on the facts within them .

A) Did the EU  , by some means or other , cause there to be a lack of infrastructure in the Blackpool area  ?
B) Did the EU  ensure that funding was channelled via different funding arrangements to poorer regions of the country much to the disgust of those that witheld and channelled that money to London and the South- East prior to that disproportionately ?

[hoolahoop]

Of course rather than answer either those questions or defend your arguments and opinions on unemployment levels .........you leave the thread !!