Tory leadership contest

[Filo]

No. Because they prefer May to Corbyn.

But then they are stuck with something they are strongly against

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

No. Because they prefer May to Corbyn.

But then they are stuck with something they are strongly against

But If they lose they accept defeat and move on as she's the least worse option. It would not surprise me if she won.

Let's not forget if Labour had the same rules as the Tories, Corbyn would not be leader.

Ironic that despite all of this, with the public May is still polling top as the person to lead Brexit. That stuns me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

We're in bizarre times.

The opposition faces the most hapless, hopeless PM and Govt for three generations, is behind them in the polls and tells itself it's playing a blinder.

[GazLaz]

Donny Dog has probably got more chance of becoming PM but I quite like Alan Duncan as an MP. He always seems to come across as a pretty intelligent, rational bloke.

[DonnyOsmond]

The DUP might be open to backing Corbyn though.

[Boomstick]

The DUP might be open to backing Corbyn though.

Highly doubt it
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS.
Times move on. The Rev Ian Paisley ended up on friendly working terms with Martin McGuinness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/11093656/Martin-McGuinness-fights-back-tears-during-Dr-Ian-Paisley-tribute.html

When grown-ups need to act like grown-ups to get things done, it's surprising what alliances can be formed. You've regularly shown that you think people on the Left are cartoon baddies. The real world doesn't work like that.

[MachoMadness]

The DUP voted with Labour to find the government in contempt recently. They'll do what's best for their agenda. If they think that means voting with labour, they'll do it.

[Boomstick]

BS.
Times move on. The Rev Ian Paisley ended up on friendly working terms with Martin McGuinness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/11093656/Martin-McGuinness-fights-back-tears-during-Dr-Ian-Paisley-tribute.html

When grown-ups need to act like grown-ups to get things done, it's surprising what alliances can be formed. You've regularly shown that you think people on the Left are cartoon baddies. The real world doesn't work like that.

Do you think the dup would piss off their supporter base by getting into bed with Corbyn ?
It would be suicide for them.

[Boomstick]

The DUP voted with Labour to find the government in contempt recently. They'll do what's best for their agenda. If they think that means voting with labour, they'll do it.

Kinda a different senario

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS.
Times move on. The Rev Ian Paisley ended up on friendly working terms with Martin McGuinness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/11093656/Martin-McGuinness-fights-back-tears-during-Dr-Ian-Paisley-tribute.html

When grown-ups need to act like grown-ups to get things done, it's surprising what alliances can be formed. You've regularly shown that you think people on the Left are cartoon baddies. The real world doesn't work like that.

Do you think the dup would piss off their supporter base by getting into bed with Corbyn ?
It would be suicide for them.

You mean like how it was political suicide for them to work with Sinn Fein?

[MachoMadness]

Here's some food for thought.
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1072798035757973504

[BillyStubbsTears]

Here's some food for thought.
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1072798035757973504

Phew.

Putin eh? He's got the POTUS in his pocket. He tried funding LePen to become French President. Now it looks like he'd trying to tip the decision on who will be British PM.

[GazLaz]

It looks like TM will survive, for now.

[Filo]

10 tory mp’s have said they’ll withdraw the whip if Johnson or Rees-mogg become leader

[BillyStubbsTears]

It looks like TM will survive, for now.

Maybe, but then...
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=268170.msg820892#msg820892

[Filo]

It looks like TM will survive, for now.

How many of those publicly backing here are going to knife in the back in a secret ballot?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Donny Dog has probably got more chance of becoming PM but I quite like Alan Duncan as an MP. He always seems to come across as a pretty intelligent, rational bloke.

Absolutely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6xO4xEebNU

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It looks like TM will survive, for now.

How many of those publicly backing here are going to knife in the back in a secret ballot?

That is the only question to be answered really - if they do back her in private she wins.  Nowhere left for them to go then.  The signs are that she will win and it may, just may make her stronger, ironically as it did Corbyn in the end.

[Boomstick]

BS.
Times move on. The Rev Ian Paisley ended up on friendly working terms with Martin McGuinness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/11093656/Martin-McGuinness-fights-back-tears-during-Dr-Ian-Paisley-tribute.html

When grown-ups need to act like grown-ups to get things done, it's surprising what alliances can be formed. You've regularly shown that you think people on the Left are cartoon baddies. The real world doesn't work like that.

Do you think the dup would piss off their supporter base by getting into bed with Corbyn ?
It would be suicide for them.

You mean like how it was political suicide for them to work with Sinn Fein?

Again, kinda different.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm struggling to see how today can possibly make her stronger.

Assume 50 Tory MPs vote against her.

Given that the DUP viscerally hate her deal, that means that she's lost the support of all-but 265 Tory MPs, in a House of Commons of 650 seats. That would be utterly unprecedented, as far as i can see, in our entire Parliamentary history. She might just about be able to limp on in that situation, but she'd have totally lost any sense of authority.

If 100 Tory MPs vote against her, she cannot possibly continue, having the confidence of fewer than 1 MP in 3.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It looks like TM will survive, for now.

How many of those publicly backing here are going to knife in the back in a secret ballot?

That is the only question to be answered really - if they do back her in private she wins.  Nowhere left for them to go then.  The signs are that she will win and it may, just may make her stronger, ironically as it did Corbyn in the end.

It would make her safer but I wouldn't agree it would make her stronger. She's pissed off a lot of MPs this week that she didn't need to. They ain't going to forget that just because she wins a confidence vote.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS

Thought it might be. Do you want to expand on that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Think about May's position.

She became PM through back room manoeuvring, without a vote.

She turned an unassailable position in April 2017 into a humiliating and unprecedented loss in June 2017.

She's now lost the support of at least 15% of her minority party.

I'm struggling to think of any PM in our history who has had less authority. It makes John Major and Jim Callaghan look like He-Man.

[Boomstick]

BS

Thought it might be. Do you want to expand on that?

Don't need to, anyone with more than one brain cell can understand.

[Glyn_Wigley]

BS.
Times move on. The Rev Ian Paisley ended up on friendly working terms with Martin McGuinness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/11093656/Martin-McGuinness-fights-back-tears-during-Dr-Ian-Paisley-tribute.html

When grown-ups need to act like grown-ups to get things done, it's surprising what alliances can be formed. You've regularly shown that you think people on the Left are cartoon baddies. The real world doesn't work like that.

Do you think the dup would piss off their supporter base by getting into bed with Corbyn ?
It would be suicide for them.

You mean like how it was political suicide for them to work with Sinn Fein?

Again, kinda different.

Aye, they were more likely to get shot working with Sinn Fein than they are working with Labour.

[Glyn_Wigley]

BS

Thought it might be. Do you want to expand on that?

Don't need to, anyone with more than one brain cell can understand.

Yes, I can think of lots of differences between working with Sinn Fein and Labour. Kinda like to know which differences you're thinking of though.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS

Thought it might be. Do you want to expand on that?

Don't need to, anyone with more than one brain cell can understand.

Anyone else get it?

[MachoMadness]

BS

Thought it might be. Do you want to expand on that?

Don't need to, anyone with more than one brain cell can understand.

Bloody condescending bullying Brexiters, eh?

[tommy toes]

Maybe we should campaign for Boomstick for PM.
He ain't got a clue either.