Nial mason 6 months suspended prison sentence!!!!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.

If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.

I agree with what you say it's a very different offence.

However, he should be treated the same as anyone else in any other job.  I don't know how that would be legally.

Equally I don't know what he's told the club, the hints are he changed his stance very late on and that could make a big difference.

[bobjimwilly]

I’ve not read anywhere that it says he groped her breasts. I might have missed some of the info put out but if you’ve just made that up you should be careful what you put out there.

It says it in the DFP article, which is quoting the prosecutor.

As a father of two young girls, and as a human being, Mason should be sacked this morning. Whether he, or anyone else likes it, he is a role model for young children and the message cannot be that you just say sorry for this sort of behaviour and get to keep your privileged job. I don't care who the club employed in the past, or what they did - we are talking about the here and the now.

He has pleaded guilty and that is what is important. If he was 100% innocent he should have fought for his innocence and gone through the appeals process if required. Ched Evans did and has gone on to play again as an innocent man.

And finally, to hear some fans talk about "he just touched her tit" is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed that your are advocates of sexual assault, and if anyone ever voices that opinion around me I will tell them the same.

[Boomstick]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"? 

[ChrisBx]

Being on the sex offenders register is a very broad spectrum isn’t it. Mason has been categorised with people that rape kids for trying to kiss a girl when he was pissed up and rubbing her back.

If he has done what he has been convicted of it’s not right and he deserves the punishment, but I think people are over reacting.

And pulling her hair to pull her head towards him and groping her breast...

I’ve not read anywhere that it says he groped her breasts. I might have missed some of the info put out but if you’ve just made that up you should be careful what you put out there.

DFP:

"Mr Stables described how Mason then proceeded to slip his hand up the woman's jumper and began to rub the skin on her back, before moving his hand away and telling the woman to 'cover up’. 
The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, ignored Mason, and readjusted her jumper.
Mr Stables said Mason then put his hand up the woman's jumper once again, but this time fondled the woman's right breast underneath her bra."

Read more at: https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/rovers-star-admits-sexually-assaulting-woman-in-doncaster-bar-1-9564376

With a case of sexual assault, this is a fundamental detail. You should have read the report more thoroughly before saying we should take his word.

[ChrisBx]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?

Disgusting attitude.

[normal rules]

Such a shame that the lead up to rovers historic fa cup game is being overshadowed by this.

[wing commander]

    What people need to remember here is that just because he changed his plea at the end does not mean he was definetly fibbing or misleading the club.

    Its all very well people saying if they were innocent they would fight to the very end but sometimes its just not that simple.I know someone who was accused of a very serious sexual offence after a drunken night out..He was adamant and still is to this day that he was innocent.A week before the trial his Barrister told him that in his opinion it was 50/50 he would get convicted.

    If he pleaded not guilty but was found guilty he would be looking at 6-8 years or so but if he pleaded guilty he would get 2 years..In the end he took the 2 years because he couldn't take the chance...
    The problem with situations like this is you never get to here the full facts that a trial would have to show,you get a synopsis from the prosecution that the judge uses for sentencing...

     Now I'm not for one minute condoning Mason,he's been very stupid and like others have said I'm not sure he has a future here but that's up to the club to make a call...

    The disappointing thing is that the feel good moment around the club of reaching the 5th round and drawing a Prem club has gone and now a shadow has been cast that will effect everybody,including the players...

[Nudga]

If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?

[bobjimwilly]

If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?

apparently forgive him because "we all make mistakes"

[adamtherover]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is the attitude of the other players towards him now.  Those with daughters especially maybe now won't want to give him the time of day, and if that is the case, he's on shakey ground..

[graingrover]

How sad that an ostensibly decent intelligent young man should do such a stupid indecent act.
  The easiest action by the club is to dismiss him the most difficult would be to keep him , help him reintegrate into the club and back to the values we all aspire to represent .

[IDM]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"? 

The legal process determined this.?

If we reacted to the Ched Evans case both initially and subsequently by what the courts decided, then surely we must do the same with Mason..?

[GazLaz]

If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?

She would have just slapped him or walked away before it got that far. If it was Coppinger that cracked on with her I’d have invited him to my house and tucked them both in.

[ChrisBx]

If he had done this to my missus I'd have waited for him after training and slapped the Kitson. What would you have done Gazlaz?

She would have just slapped him or walked away before it got that far. If it was Coppinger that cracked on with her I’d have invited him to my house and tucked them both in.

It's easy to say that someone would fight back when being sexually assaulted. Research tells us that many victims freeze, as it's suggested the victim in this case did.

[drfchound]

My wife would have slapped him (or anyone) if they have put a hand up her jumper in a bar.
The second part of the said incident would not have had the chance to happen.

[the vicar]

Can I just say, not all late guilty pleas are actually guilty fact

[IDM]

Probably not vicar, but in the eyes of the law a guilty plea means guilty..

[nightporter]

Sack him.  It's also a shame we can't sack some of our fans.

[Boomstick]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?

Disgusting attitude.

Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this. 

[normal rules]

Admin, can this be put in “off topic” please

[One_Matty_Lucas]

Admin, can this be put in “off topic” please

Can't think of a more appropriate ON topic today. One DRFC player has been charged and sentenced for sexual assault in a court of law. Nothing to hide.

[ChrisBx]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?

Disgusting attitude.

Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this.

What evidence do you have that suggests she gave him consent to grope her in public?

None.

[normal rules]

It’s not hiding it, if people want to talk about it they can in there.
Personally it’s detracting away from what should be a happy time for rovers supporters.

[Boomstick]

If he says the events didn’t go as portrayed in court McCann should trust him and so should we. He doesn’t deserve sacking anyway.

If he groped a girl without her permission then he deserve whatever he gets. Too many footballers walking round thinking they're untouchable and every girl wants them.

Who said he didn't get permission?
The "victim"?

Disgusting attitude.

Why? You only have to look at the ched Evans injustice to realise this.

What evidence do you have that suggests she gave him consent to grope her in public?

None.

Where did I say that?
You need to consider all possibilities, and not jump to conclusions.
As has been pointed out, a guilty plea is not proof of guilt.

[anton123]

Mason was on track to becoming a great asset for the club but no player is bigger then the club and it’s morals , get rid today for me

[bobjimwilly]

Mason was on track to becoming a great asset for the club but no player is bigger then the club and it’s morals , get rid today for me

100% agree.

The club have to accept what the courts have decided and what Nial has accepted, that he is guilty.
If they stand by him it sets a dangerous precedent. By all means in private they can tell him they whatever they like, but publicly it's not a hard decision to make.

[IDM]

I am no legal expert but if an accused pleads guilty then surely that takes the burden of proof away from the prosecution..

The court verdict is guilty, as it was in Evans’ original case.

We should respect the court verdict, but also the subsequent legal process if there was to be an appeal.

Does anyone in here actually have access to all tee evidence available to the court in Mason’s case.?? Are any of us barristers or in the legal profession to have a qualified opinion.?

Or are we just expressing opinions bases in no facts at all.??

It would have been for the prosecution to prove that Mason had acted without consent, had he entered a not guilty plea, so it is utterly pointless anyone in here questioning whether there was or was not consent.

[Geoff Blakesley]

DNA is very reliable most cases are settled on DNA evidence and is 99% accurate especially when found on major part of the crime.

Far from it. DNA testing - and forensic science in general - is far from 99% accurate as it can be wrongly applied and wrongly interpreted by juries. Not saying that's what happened in this case, Mason admitted it and there were no doubt tons of witnesses and whatever else, but this article is worth a read: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-surprisingly-imperfect-science-of-dna-testing-2/
DNA isn't useless and it can be useful under perfect conditions, but those conditions rarely occur!

Not really relevant regarding Nial Mason's case but more on DNA evidence
Your example was in 2010. The science has expanded massively since then as have the techniques for obtaining the DNA. I was a juror at two Crown Court trials that both involved DNA testing. We were told by a forensic scientist how DNA may help or hinder our deliberations. The first was an attempted robbery of an ATM using a JCB. Some discarded clothing was found that had a match with one of the defendants DNA. He admitted it was his coat but claimed he wasn't wearing it at the time of the offence as he claimed the coat was frequently passed around his gypsy community. What the DNA couldn't prove was that he was wearing it at the time of the attempted robbery only that he had worn it at some time. As this was the main evidence against this defendant he was released. DNA did support other evidence in the second trial that the semen on a young girl's blanket belonged to the paedophile that we convicted. He got 14 yrs.

[ChrisBx]

Paul Godwin reporting there will be no comment from the club today.

[Branton Rover]

Personally I think he’s finished - however in the past we’ve had at least 2 players convicted of man slaughter, an armed robber the list goes on. Having said that the club now is deeply rooted in the community and is family & fan friendly throughout & is unrecognisable from the standards we used to apply back in the 90’s & Conference years - I don’t envy the board but trust that they’ll take the right decision