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I'd like a centre left leader to take the reins if that's what makes the party more electable, as long as they keep the majority of socialist domestic policies outlined in the manifest and don't go back on increasing taxes for the rich and corporate world etc.
I thought an interview with 2 local labour party foot soldiers in the constituency of a MP who left Labour yesterday summed it up perfectly for me.. The first was a lady who while disappointed that the mp who she had spent hours posting leaflets for at the election had left, she realised that the party had a real problem that just wasn't been addressed and admired his principles at least in sticking up for his beliefs,she hoped that this would finally kick start the party into realising that if they hoped to be elected they had to reform away from the perception of anti Semitism and inter party bullying and threats... Then the young guy sat next to her who might have well had momentum tattooed across his head snarled that he was a traitor,and that he shouldn't show his face around there again..You could see the hate in his eyes...He was just a nasty piece of work,and obviously didn't have a debate in him,it was his way or no way.... And that for me sums the Labour party up right now,a so called broad church, which its anything but..A absolute car crash of a party run by a leader who is only any good at objection politics and always has been...backed by momentum who take socialism to a level bordering on communism...
We should probably change the title to include the Tories.....It's intriguing how this pans out, how can some Tories and labour leavers work together, what happens at the point they disagree. For the Tories it's a Brexit problem, for Labour a fundamental overall strategy problem. Quite interesting and as a group, one more person and they match the Lib Dems for size.....Could play havoc at the next election.
Aye, although technically "The Independent Group" isn't actually a party - it's a private company. All the MPs are just sitting as independents for now. Interestingly, this means they aren't bound to release who's funding them yet.
Depends on your definition of corporate world. Taxing a lot of big companies and high earners is indirectly negative for low and middle earners. I don't agree with increasing taxes, I would much rather the rules were changed to clamp down on Amazon et al. An overall increase just harms all companies, not just the ones who are an issue.
Corbyn will wait till after May's next Brexit vote defeat. The Labour rebels will still probably vote against May but it give more time for more Tories to resign from the party and then vote against her. It wouldn't surprise me if at least two more (Grieve, Boles) jump ship, best to leave enough time for more to jump before calling another confidence vote.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 20, 2019, 03:31:47 pmCorbyn will wait till after May's next Brexit vote defeat. The Labour rebels will still probably vote against May but it give more time for more Tories to resign from the party and then vote against her. It wouldn't surprise me if at least two more (Grieve, Boles) jump ship, best to leave enough time for more to jump before calling another confidence vote.I agree. There's no point in Corbyn doing anything until May loses another meaningful vote on Brexit. However, given that the Independent Group don't seem keen on calling by-elections in their seats, I wonder how keen they might be to vote in a way that would trigger a General Election.
Quote from: The Red Baron on February 20, 2019, 09:44:22 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 20, 2019, 03:31:47 pmCorbyn will wait till after May's next Brexit vote defeat. The Labour rebels will still probably vote against May but it give more time for more Tories to resign from the party and then vote against her. It wouldn't surprise me if at least two more (Grieve, Boles) jump ship, best to leave enough time for more to jump before calling another confidence vote.I agree. There's no point in Corbyn doing anything until May loses another meaningful vote on Brexit. However, given that the Independent Group don't seem keen on calling by-elections in their seats, I wonder how keen they might be to vote in a way that would trigger a General Election.They'd look complete d**kheads if they supported May after all this though.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 20, 2019, 10:26:49 pmQuote from: The Red Baron on February 20, 2019, 09:44:22 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 20, 2019, 03:31:47 pmCorbyn will wait till after May's next Brexit vote defeat. The Labour rebels will still probably vote against May but it give more time for more Tories to resign from the party and then vote against her. It wouldn't surprise me if at least two more (Grieve, Boles) jump ship, best to leave enough time for more to jump before calling another confidence vote.I agree. There's no point in Corbyn doing anything until May loses another meaningful vote on Brexit. However, given that the Independent Group don't seem keen on calling by-elections in their seats, I wonder how keen they might be to vote in a way that would trigger a General Election.They'd look complete d**kheads if they supported May after all this though.Well yes, but you have to admit it does look like a pantomime horse. Apparently Soubry has been praising George Osborne tonight. I wonder how well that has gone down with the ex-Labour lot?
George Soros will be funding this little band of saboteurs. If this lot are so keen on a second vote why don't they put there money where their mouth is and call by elections?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on February 21, 2019, 03:53:27 pmGeorge Soros will be funding this little band of saboteurs. If this lot are so keen on a second vote why don't they put there money where their mouth is and call by elections?Like St Nigel of Farage did when he quit UKIP, and then again when he set up his new party?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 21, 2019, 04:18:16 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on February 21, 2019, 03:53:27 pmGeorge Soros will be funding this little band of saboteurs. If this lot are so keen on a second vote why don't they put there money where their mouth is and call by elections?Like St Nigel of Farage did when he quit UKIP, and then again when he set up his new party?Or Carswell? Or that other non-entity who left the Tories, joined UKIP then vanished without trace in 2017?
Anyroad. This is the inevitable outcome of the Referendum. Our politics is now utterly f**ked and it will be for another generation. The splits that were kept held together are now tearing apart. As I keep saying, Putin must be laughing his cock off. THIS is why he poured money into the Leave campaign.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 21, 2019, 06:39:39 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 21, 2019, 04:18:16 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on February 21, 2019, 03:53:27 pmGeorge Soros will be funding this little band of saboteurs. If this lot are so keen on a second vote why don't they put there money where their mouth is and call by elections?Like St Nigel of Farage did when he quit UKIP, and then again when he set up his new party?Or Carswell? Or that other non-entity who left the Tories, joined UKIP then vanished without trace in 2017?Carswell and Reckless did actually put themselves up for re-election when they defected to UKIP. The only times UKIP ever won Parliamentary elections.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on February 19, 2019, 01:00:15 pmI'd like a centre left leader to take the reins if that's what makes the party more electable, as long as they keep the majority of socialist domestic policies outlined in the manifest and don't go back on increasing taxes for the rich and corporate world etc.Depends on your definition of corporate world. Taxing a lot of big companies and high earners is indirectly negative for low and middle earners. I don't agree with increasing taxes, I would much rather the rules were changed to clamp down on Amazon et al. An overall increase just harms all companies, not just the ones who are an issue.