Club doncaster

[silent majority]

Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.

Because John Ryan is a better businessman than a guy worth ten times what he was ever worth in Terry Bramall.

One was self made and one wasn’t..

Was he self made?

[no eyed deer]

Marosi - Alright for league 1 but how many mistakes? Lawlor ready to step back in

Rowe - Had 4/5 decent games and a bad injury record

Butler - Decent season but if it wasn’t for injuries would he really of been in the starting 11? Age isn’t on his side either

Andrew - Played all season, never played fantastic? Stands square on and most players get by him. The last 6 games were probably his best, reminded me of Bennet when he was suddenly playing for a contract

Kane/Wilkes - Not a chance getting back

Downing - Offer was there, blown out the way by Pompey so I’ve heard.


Are any of the players who left really worth overspending for? Players that can easily get replaced. Marquis and Whiteman on the other hand would be hard to replace, but both command fees I would bet that if any of the players who have left had a year or more on their contracts they wouldn't be bids coming in for them..

Nothing to do with Club Doncaster

What with your in-depth knowledge ever thought of management

[sha66y]

Alas it appears that the silly season has not been misrepresented poorly by the silly posters....

How is good debate gonna crawl out from under the avalanche of bullsh#t

There are agendas at work here.......

[dickos1]

Honestly, out of all the players that have left so far which ones should we have broken the bank for?

No, none at all?

Hmmm!

Would we have needed to break the bank to keep butler? All these players we’ve signed previously on contracts that were the same, slightly more or slightly less. Did we break the bank then when we originally signed them?

You're not really answering my question are you? It was pretty straight forward. Which ones should we have pushed the boat out for?

But as I've mentioned before we offered Buts a decent contract, longer than the one he's accepted and with an offer to move to the coaching side when he wanted to. He chose a shorter contract at Scunthorpe. His choice.

You asked which players we should have broken the bank for. And I know we wouldn’t have had to break the bank to keep butler he was expecting a lower offer, just not as low as he was offered.
Certainly wouldn’t have broken the bank to keep him as you suggest

[karldew]

Marosi - Alright for league 1 but how many mistakes? Lawlor ready to step back in

Rowe - Had 4/5 decent games and a bad injury record

Butler - Decent season but if it wasn’t for injuries would he really of been in the starting 11? Age isn’t on his side either

Andrew - Played all season, never played fantastic? Stands square on and most players get by him. The last 6 games were probably his best, reminded me of Bennet when he was suddenly playing for a contract

Kane/Wilkes - Not a chance getting back

Downing - Offer was there, blown out the way by Pompey so I’ve heard.


Are any of the players who left really worth overspending for? Players that can easily get replaced. Marquis and Whiteman on the other hand would be hard to replace, but both command fees I would bet that if any of the players who have left had a year or more on their contracts they wouldn't be bids coming in for them..

Nothing to do with Club Doncaster

What with your in-depth knowledge ever thought of management

I’ve voiced my opinion, like on my other post if we had Marquis, Whiteman, Wilkes and Kane this season who would you really of thrown money at out of the players who have left?

With your sh*t replies, have you ever thought of not posting on here.

[Boomstick]

It's entirely fair that people are raising concerns at the minute.
The best players have left/leaving or likely to leave, with no one coming in.

Questions are gonna be asked, and so far absolutely nothing has been said or done to aleiviate those concerns.

[Ziggazaggarover]

I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?

From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.

Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.

What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?

Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.

Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.

[silent majority]

I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?

From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.

Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.

What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?

Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.

Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.

Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.

So, I fail to see your point.

[Boomstick]

Seems like your dodging the point he's raised

[Bristol Red Rover]

It's entirely fair that people are raising concerns at the minute.
The best players have left/leaving or likely to leave, with no one coming in.

Questions are gonna be asked, and so far absolutely nothing has been said or done to aleiviate those concerns.

Brad Halliday has already signed, you can sleep a little better now, but do try and keep up

[Ziggazaggarover]

I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?

From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.

Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.

What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?

Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.

Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.

Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.

So, I fail to see your point.

Answer my question then ? Rovers income , shirt sales , season tickets , away ticket sales , pay on gate , commercial revenue , sponsorships , money from efl for being in league 1 and finishing 6th position , food and drink sales concourses ,  must be well in excess of 6 million so how does club Doncaster bring in more than that ?

[RoversAlias]

Give me strength.

I'm starting to think the forum should be shut down until the opening day of the season so everyone can be forced to go outside and think about something other than how allegedly terrible everything is at the football club, when of course in reality it isn't.

Some utterly, utterly, utterly ridiculous garbage being spouted at the moment.

[Drover]

Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages

Im not no,Because Im pretty sure,it's not about competing with wages,we did'nt pull out of signing DA because we could'nt compete wages wise,I think we pulled out because we did'nt think DA was worth what his agent/him wanted,we probably think we can get the same for less or better for the same or much better for what he wanted.

[roversdude]

And the fact his agent was playing games

[DonnyOsmond]

I could be wrong but doesn't ClubDoncaster generate revenue for DRFC rather than cost it any money?

From what I know about it, it's created a hive of activity most days of the week down at the Keepmoat. The club being at the heart of the community and creating broader appeal in the town can only be good for the future support of DRFC if you ask me.

Yes it does, the commercial operation around the club raises more money than season tickets, virtually unheard of at our level.

What a load of b*llocks the club want you to think that , in what way would it ever gain more income than the club ?

Do you not read the accounts? It's all documented.

Oh my god it's gonna be a long night , the club is under control of club Doncaster so all the sponsorships/commercial revenue will go onto the accounts of club Doncaster so take club Doncaster away and these will be included in Doncaster rovers accounts , I had a sponsorship package once and the invoice I received was from club Doncaster. You tell me how taking control of a rugby club that gets less than 500 fans and has a bigger squad than the rovers and backroom staff.

Yes it is going to be a long night. We, the VSC also get invoices from the club, but I fail to see the relevance of that. Under the MOU we sit with club and go through the full accounts in some detail, as we've posted on here very time we do it.

So, I fail to see your point.

Answer my question then ? Rovers income , shirt sales , season tickets , away ticket sales , pay on gate , commercial revenue , sponsorships , money from efl for being in league 1 and finishing 6th position , food and drink sales concourses ,  must be well in excess of 6 million so how does club Doncaster bring in more than that ?

SCMP (Financial Fair Play in L1 and L2) limits us to spending wages of 60% of our turnover, as this is Club Doncasters turnover it then increases due to what we get in from the Dons and Belles.

[aidanstu]

Club Doncaster is a vanity project.
ask John Ryan.

The guy who wanted to sell
Us to a hedge fund?

[graingrover]

The opening post does not recognise the strategy of Club Doncaster to work for the good of the community and expresses a selfish narrow minded viewpoint .

[NickDRFC]

Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?

[graingrover]

When  in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal  infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about

[redarmy82]

When  in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal  infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about

Good point.
Just to clairfy, i'm a big supporter of Club Doncaster. My original post in this thread was in jest.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

We know the agenda of the posters that come out of the woodwork to openly criticise Club Doncaster, the Board, Terry Bramhall etc, without just cause. These people refuse to be educated because it doesn't fit into their agenda. What they also fail to understand is JR was supportive of the concept of Club Doncaster however, as he criticised the acquisition of the Dons in public at the time to suit his own agenda, these people take it as gospel that Club Doncaster is a drain rather than the generator of income and turnover which exceeds the gap he left behind.

The bottom line is these folk believe TB should be spending more of his personal wealth to 'spend' our way up the leagues as they are convinced JR did just that. They will not be moved from this belief.

[Chris Black come back]

Terry Bramall.

[The Beast]

Disagree, club Doncaster puts the club at the heart of the community, there’s some very good things happening off the pitch. Why do people have to knock things just for the sake of it?

[Lifelong supporter]

When  in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal  infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about

When you click on the link it says 'We are a non-profit, self funding registered charity that has achieved more than 30 years of inspiring positive change' etc.
That's a bit confusing because Club Doncaster has not been on the go that long.
And, if it's non-profit, how does money get passed on to the club?

[RoversAlias]

The Foundation is not the same as Club Doncaster, it is one facet of Club Doncaster and was around before being incorporated into CD when they decided to create that umbrella branding, which was only done a couple of years ago.

[silent majority]

Silent majority - I’ve read the accounts, both for Rovers & Club Doncaster, and cant see anywhere that mentions commercial revenue being higher than ST revenue. Can you please provide a link if I’m missing something?

If you've read the accounts Nick then you should be able to see it, it's quite clearly there. It's a subject we've discussed often with the club, and certainly at Supporter Board meetings where the financials have been disclosed to the board. Our income mirrors in many ways the incomes at EPL clubs, where the main income is made up of 3 parts, broadcast income, gate receipts and commercial income. These 3 are similar percentages. When the VSC has done its analysis of each years accounts we've always commented on the performance of the commercial team at the club. The solidarity payments, from the EPL and EFL are also higher than gate receipts, which show how worried most clubs of our size should be if, God forbid, that income dried up through something like the creation of a European Super League, for example.

[silent majority]

When  in a distant future ‘we ‘ (though I will not be here)lose the vital financial contribution of Terry Bramall..the Charitable Trust he and his family has created to make grants to various good causes may continue to fund Club Doncaster FOUNDATION but could not fund DRFC which has a very different fiscal  infrastructure to the Club Doncaster Foundation.
https://clubdoncasterfoundation.co.uk/about

When you click on the link it says 'We are a non-profit, self funding registered charity that has achieved more than 30 years of inspiring positive change' etc.
That's a bit confusing because Club Doncaster has not been on the go that long.
And, if it's non-profit, how does money get passed on to the club?

The club are entitled to charge for services delivered. The foundation also has to pay it's way. Elementary business activities.

[the vicar]

Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages

No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players

[the vicar]

In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.

In my opinion i think it's time we got rid of it and concentrated been a football club , surely Don's belles etc and sustainable , for example with the attendances the dons surely it isn't enough to cover the backroom staff and the players they have then there's Carl hall and rent etc , is the income that the rovers generate that should be used to strengthen the squad going into club doncaster? , For me it's a poor state of affairs seeing loyal players that out there all into last season then getting offered lowered wage packets to thank them. It's not McCann's fault for me he is the scapegoat here I bet he would love to be able to spend money on the squad he wants.

Believe it or not but the Dons actually make money and they cost nothing to club Doncaster, they are sustainable

[silent majority]

Anyone else worried that we can not compete with Fleetwood regarding wages

No because they could be spending well above their means to get there players

Well said Dave.

I didn't realise this was a competition to see who could spend more money on an average left back.