England Lionesses

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's great to watch some football that isn't spoilt by continual pushing, shoving, holding, shirt-pulling, diving, timewasting and surrounding and trying to intimidate the ref at every bloody decision they make and lots more snarky cheating. They might not be as physical or skilful as professional men, but by heck it's decent free-flowing stuff.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This France-USA match is absolutely superb. A joy to watch.

[Pancho Regan]

It’s girl stuff and should be applauded for being girlie.....

...what?

Chauvinist alert !!!!!
Don’t rate female athletes and not inclined to promote them...just my opinion

Possibly one of the most sweeping statements I’ve seen on here for a long time.

You don’t rate female athletes? Really? None of them, ever?

Hardly sweeping! ... it’s a very nailed down bonafide fact...
I know female sport exists, I can probably name a few females that have competed in certain things....but I get a big enough buzz from watching Donny ......
I probably am a bit of a chauvinist on reflection...infact I insist on opening doors for my wife....( not because I think she isn’t capable)
.and shock horror, she actually likes being treat has a lady....

Perhaps I need to help you by explaining what the phrase ‘sweeping statement’ means in this context.

It is applied to a statement of opinion which is too generalised to have any specific relevance.
For example ‘I hate Germans’ or ‘Italians are lazy’ or ‘Musicals are boring’ or ‘I don’t rate female athletes’.

The last statement, which was yours, is NOT a “nailed down bonafide fact” as you call it.
It’s an opinion. A very generalised opinion which is, I suggest, impossible to substantiate.
In other words it’s a ‘sweeping statement’.

I’d even call it a stupid and bigoted statement. Just my opinion.

[adamtherover]

This France-USA match is absolutely superb. A joy to watch.

well said BST, really enjoying it...

[Pancho Regan]

That was a cracking game.
Can’t help feeling a bit sorry for France.

And to be honest, the first I’ve seen from USA of some of the cynical stuff we’re so used to in the men’s game.

Looking forward to the semi-final now. England are up against the best team in the world.

Come on you Lionesses!

[Darren]

What a fantastic game of football, really enjoying this world cup. England will meet the best team i've seen in the competition, but i have no doubts the girls can do it.

[drfchound]

A great game tonight, played at a very fast pace as well.
Very physical but not a dirty game.
On Tuesday we will have the pleasure of seeing Lucy Bronze up against Megan Rapinoe.
Now that is something I am really looking forward to watching.

Finally, on a personal note, that Alex Morgan is a seriously good looking woman.

[RoversAlias]

It’s girl stuff and should be applauded for being girlie.....

...what?

Chauvinist alert !!!!!
Don’t rate female athletes and not inclined to promote them...just my opinion, ...but I’m sure someone will make an “ ist or an ism “ out of it.....

Ridiculous. I presume based on this then that you think women only belong in the kitchen or something?

It's like stepping back in time a few decades sometimes, reading stuff on here.

Someone else saying it'd be interesting if Phil Neville wore a frock!? Absolutely baffling.

[drfchound]

Why doesnt everyone just ignore this sha66y bloke.
He is obviously just having a laugh and fishing for responses.

[Campsall rover]

It's great to watch some football that isn't spoilt by continual pushing, shoving, holding, shirt-pulling, diving, timewasting and surrounding and trying to intimidate the ref at every bloody decision they make and lots more snarky cheating. They might not be as physical or skilful as professional men, but by heck it's decent free-flowing stuff.

Agreed, been some cracking games. I think the skill levels are just about on par with the men.
They are technically very impressive.
The standard at the top end of the women’s game is getting better and better year on year.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Great result and the third goal was cracking. Standard of passing in midfield is worse than a pub team though. Absolutely terrible.

Compare the standard of midfield play to this abomination from the pinnacle of the English men's game just thirty years back.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dt8K6fqcJZfs&ved=2ahUKEwjKwsKiiI3jAhU3SxUIHYg1CVYQwqsBMAV6BAgEEB8&usg=AOvVaw3TvukTHO_F85v3Wbvhrzy8

[IDM]

I can see the real battle between the USA left and England’s right..

The USA no 23 Press was outstanding vs Chile when Rapinoe was rested.. USA won’t start with both.

As for comparing strength vs men, that USA keeper has one hell of a kick on her.!

[Campsall rover]

I have nothing against women athletes and love watching athletics, cycling etc but just find this football thing so hyped up and  so meaningless. Can't gel with it at all. Some of my feelings may come from my dislike of the manager who I think is a complete tosser. Perhaps if they made him wear a frock it might make it more meaningful.

What a ridiculous sexist comment arkseyrover. Shame on you.

[IDM]

The USA left back looks very useful too..

England will have to be at their best to beat the USA but if they keep a lid on sloppy passing, they have a great chance..

[WheatleyRover]

People can have whatever opinion they like, i'm tired of all this pc and social engineering bs, watch what you say you might offend someone! Having your own opinion will soon be illegal.

I do personally like watching womens sports, like Tennis and Beach Volleyball 😂

[dickos1]

It’s been entertaining, and like has been mentioned it’s refreshing to not see diving, grappling etc.
Although I think it’s nonsensical to try and compare to the men’s game, it’s two very different sports.
It’s like women’s tennis, it’s often much more entertaining than the blokes but there’s no way the women would beat the men, it’s a completely
Different game

[IDM]

People can have whatever opinion they like, i'm tired of all this pc and social engineering bs, watch what you say you might offend someone! Having your own opinion will soon be illegal.

I do personally like watching womens sports, like Tennis and Beach Volleyball 😂

Respecting the women’s game for what it is isn’t being PC..

Pointing out the outdated and chauvinistic views is perfectly OK IMHO..

Have whatever opinion you like, perfectly OK too.

[PGW67]

personally I have enjoyed the woman's world cup better than the men's qualifiers. more exiting game play than watching this [stale ] England game play. no one runs anymore, all pass back , start again. no more gigs takes on seven and scores moments. not quite there but entertaining.   

[sha66y]

It’s girl stuff and should be applauded for being girlie.....

...what?

Chauvinist alert !!!!!
Don’t rate female athletes and not inclined to promote them...just my opinion

Possibly one of the most sweeping statements I’ve seen on here for a long time.

You don’t rate female athletes? Really? None of them, ever?

Hardly sweeping! ... it’s a very nailed down bonafide fact...
I know female sport exists, I can probably name a few females that have competed in certain things....but I get a big enough buzz from watching Donny ......
I probably am a bit of a chauvinist on reflection...infact I insist on opening doors for my wife....( not because I think she isn’t capable)
.and shock horror, she actually likes being treat has a lady....

Perhaps I need to help you by explaining what the phrase ‘sweeping statement’ means in this context.

It is applied to a statement of opinion which is too generalised to have any specific relevance.
For example ‘I hate Germans’ or ‘Italians are lazy’ or ‘Musicals are boring’ or ‘I don’t rate female athletes’.

The last statement, which was yours, is NOT a “nailed down bonafide fact” as you call it.
It’s an opinion. A very generalised opinion which is, I suggest, impossible to substantiate.
In other words it’s a ‘sweeping statement’.

I’d even call it a stupid and bigoted statement. Just my opinion.

Why stupid or bigoted ?

and the FACT remains a fact....to me, !

I don’t acknowledge female athletes or sportswomen in general...

I wouldn’t say they were poor or even crap.....I just don’t watch them

[Monkcaster_Rover]

Big up the girls. Looking forward to Tuesday's game. Can't see us turning USA over but you never know.

[RoversAlias]

You're right Hound.

I have enjoyed watching England in this tournament anyway, and I think the game with the USA next week may end up being the biggest match in English women's football history.

[sha66y]

It’s girl stuff and should be applauded for being girlie.....

...what?

Chauvinist alert !!!!!
Don’t rate female athletes and not inclined to promote them...just my opinion, ...but I’m sure someone will make an “ ist or an ism “ out of it.....

Ridiculous. I presume based on this then that you think women only belong in the kitchen or something?

It's like stepping back in time a few decades sometimes, reading stuff on here.

Someone else saying it'd be interesting if Phil Neville wore a frock!? Absolutely baffling.

No not at all....I’m the culinary guy.... I love the opposite sex, but don’t enjoy watching them do any sport at all.....I could debate this all night, but the wife wants another G&T and a happy wife is a happy life.....lol

[IDM]

That’s your loss..

[Darren]

It’s girl stuff and should be applauded for being girlie.....

...what?

Chauvinist alert !!!!!
Don’t rate female athletes and not inclined to promote them...just my opinion, ...but I’m sure someone will make an “ ist or an ism “ out of it.....

Ridiculous. I presume based on this then that you think women only belong in the kitchen or something?

It's like stepping back in time a few decades sometimes, reading stuff on here.

Someone else saying it'd be interesting if Phil Neville wore a frock!? Absolutely baffling.

No not at all....I’m the culinary guy.... I love the opposite sex, but don’t enjoy watching them do any sport at all.....I could debate this all night, but the wife wants another G&T and a happy wife is a happy life.....lol

I'm a culinary guy?  I claim my £5.00 You are Swiss Tony

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dickos.

Of course the current women wouldn't beat the current men.

But the current women would beat the best men's teams from the 60s without breaking sweat. For anyone who doesn't believe that, as I've said many times, go and look at the YouTube footage of the 1962 men's WC final between Brazil and Czechoslovakia. There were more misplaced 5 yard passes in the first 30 seconds of that game than in the entire match tonight, and it was mostly played at walking pace. The USA women from tonight would have put 10 past that 1962 Czechoslovakia side.

THAT's the really interesting thing. Because the current quality in women's football is coming about despite relatively few girls and women playing football, so there's a small pool from which to find the best.

If the current rapid improvement in standards continues and if more girls take up the game, it'll be fascinating to see by how much women will be able to close the gap on men.

[tyke1962]

To watch womens football with any clarity you have to bin the comparison with the mens game .

It's like comparing Raffa Nadal to Serena Williams , clearly he would blow her off the court but that doesn't make Serena a poor tennis player .

I've never watched the womens game before this world cup and I have to say I've enjoyed it .

If I've enjoyed watching it then that has to be a good thing .

[graingrover]

If opening doors for women is your badge you are indeed far far behind in the societal evolution .

[dickos1]

Dickos.

Of course the current women wouldn't beat the current men.

But the current women would beat the best men's teams from the 60s without breaking sweat. For anyone who doesn't believe that, as I've said many times, go and look at the YouTube footage of the 1962 men's WC final between Brazil and Czechoslovakia. There were more misplaced 5 yard passes in the first 30 seconds of that game than in the entire match tonight, and it was mostly played at walking pace. The USA women from tonight would have put 10 past that 1962 Czechoslovakia side.

THAT's the really interesting thing. Because the current quality in women's football is coming about despite relatively few girls and women playing football, so there's a small pool from which to find the best.

If the current rapid improvement in standards continues and if more girls take up the game, it'll be fascinating to see by how much women will be able to close the gap on men.

The game has evolved so much since the 60s
Fitter players, mass improvement in training methods, dietary methods, balls and pitches much better.
The game is much faster now, if the players in the 60s were around now then they’d be as good as the players that are playing these days.
It’s like saying a car in the 1960s isn’t as good as a car now, but that’s because things have developed.

So I’m not sure it means the women have closed the gap on men, the women’s game has improved significantly but so has the men’s

[IDM]

Any sport can be enthralling in its own context..

Take the Olympics for example.. I have no day to day interest in sports like cycling, heptathlon, rowing, archery, curling etc.  Same with the tennis at Wimbledon. 

But if I start to watch it, and there’s a tight evenly matched contest - especially with English or GB competitors - then it can be very interesting to watch and to enjoy the occasion, the tension of competition and the highs and lows.

That goes for men and women’s events.  Therefore, it’s the same with women’s football. 

Some people are so much used to and entrenched in the men’s game that they can’t see the wood for the trees where women’s football is concerned.

France vs USA last night was as gripping as anything in the men’s WC last summer..

[Chris Black come back]

Standard of football has been generally high. Although some of the goalkeeping has been poor. The Argentine keeper excepted.