Parliament to be prorogued

[RedJ]

That's may be OK for you landed gentry-tory toffs but what about the workers?

that’s a very strange way of putting it, there are many labour mps that are millionaires I know many labour voters that are wealthy and have hardly ever worked, the same goes with the tories of course, you say the workers but labour get more voters off people that don’t work than any other party

You still haven't answered if you're bothered that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen x

[bpoolrover]

I will answer when we find out if he has lied to the queen, last week they said he hadn’t, this week they say he has, and probably next week he won’t have lied, So I’ll wait till we have the final verdict before I comment if that’s ok with you mate

[drfcsteve]

It's not that difficult. Hypothetically, do you think it's wrong for the Prime Minister to lie to the Queen?

[DonnyOsmond]

I will answer when we find out if he has lied to the queen, last week they said he hadn’t, this week they say he has, and probably next week he won’t have lied, So I’ll wait till we have the final verdict before I comment if that’s ok with you mate

They never said he didn't last week. They said it's not a matter for the courts to decide.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

I hope you won't find it patronising if I spell this out for you again.

The London High Court did NOT say that Johnson hadn't lied to the Queen. They didn't mention it. Made no comment about it whatsoever. None.

They said that in their opinion, it wasn't suitable for them to make a judgement.

You are being played by Johnson, who today has lied in front of the cameras by saying precisely what you have just repeated.

[bpoolrover]

The principle is the same mate and as you no next week the government will win the case and it will be back to people’s opinions

[bpoolrover]

I’m not being played at all as I have payed very little attention to it to be honest I’ve got more important things going on at the minute, if boris has lies do you think he will be the first or the last most of them seem very good at it, my pal was raging about how he could lie to the queen yet he thinks the monarchy should have ceased to exist years ago, people like to be in a rage when it suits

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ok. Let's make it easier.

Do you accept that Johnson lied on this topic today, and you just repeated the lie?

[RedJ]

The principle is the same mate and as you no next week the government will win the case and it will be back to people’s opinions

How is the principle the same? How is a court deciding not to involve itself the same as them agreeing with him?

[SydneyRover]

I'll make it easier for you bp, do you think it a good thing that we have a lying fxxx for a PM?

[bpoolrover]

I'll make it easier for you bp, do you think it a good thing that we have a lying fxxx for a PM?

if you can be bothered type in google Corbyn lies what you will find is a load of useless information about little lies Jc has told, if you read it maybe you could come back and say how your going to vote for a lying f..k to be out next pm

[SydneyRover]

You're a funny guy bp

[bpoolrover]

Why what’s the difference sydney is it ok for 1 and not the other?

[RedJ]

You seem to be making the argument that it's fine for Boris to lie.

[BillyStubbsTears]

How the rest of the world sees us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-49689123

The NY Times had got it right. Our Constitution relies on the Govt acting in a fair and reasonable way. When you get a maniac like Cummings in charge, there's not a lot to stop him.

Still, it's good to see that Iran has the same opinion on the sanctity of the 2016 vote as the Brexit Death Cultists in here. That's now Putin, Trump and the Ayatollahs on your side and everyone else shaking their heads and trying not to laugh at us.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just catching up with the Supreme Court proceedings over lunch.

Fascinating stuff.

The QC acting for the Govt is claiming that the Govt has the absolute right to prorogue Parliament for any reason whatsoever and doesn't have to be truthful about why it is doing it. Essentially, he's saying that the Queen can be lied to with impunity and it's no business of the courts' to get involved.

[i_ateallthepies]

That seems to be a strange case for them to make, BST.  Surely arguing that your client didn't lie but it should be perfectly ok if he had would be taken by anyone with two brain cells to mean 'of course he lied but you can't expect us to actually admit he did now can you?'.

[Donnywolf]

Heres my prediction ahead of the Supreme Court judgement

If Johnson wins he will say something like " the Supreme Court in its wisdom has looked at this and has ruled that we the Govenment have acted responsibly and were within the Law in Proroguing Parliament - and well done them. So thats it they are letting us / me get on with our jobs and well done them"

If Johnson loses he will say " the Supreme Court should never have been involved with this matter as it has nothing at all to do with the Judiciary and was / is SOLELY a matter for we the Politicians and we will have to see where we go from here"

Others can add to that or refine my "prediction" and indeed say what Corbyn will say in the above 2 scenarios
 

[drfchound]

I don’t often venture into this thread but because of the Court ruling today I had a peek.

What will Corbyn say?
Whatever the outcome, he will say the polar opposite to what Johnson says I should imagine.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Heres my prediction ahead of the Supreme Court judgement

If Johnson wins he will say something like " the Supreme Court in its wisdom has looked at this and has ruled that we the Govenment have acted responsibly and were within the Law in Proroguing Parliament - and well done them. So thats it they are letting us / me get on with our jobs and well done them"

If Johnson loses he will say " the Supreme Court should never have been involved with this matter as it has nothing at all to do with the Judiciary and was / is SOLELY a matter for we the Politicians and we will have to see where we go from here"

Others can add to that or refine my "prediction" and indeed say what Corbyn will say in the above 2 scenarios
 

I bet he's written two pieces of paper just waiting to decide which one to use!

[MachoMadness]

Well, this is going to get interesting. Prorogation ruled unlawful just now.

[IDM]

What a f**king mess..

We now have a PM who has been deemed to have acted unlawfully at a critical time politically for the country.

Whether you support Johnson or not, surely to retain any credibility he has to resign.?  That in itself would IMHO require a Brexit extension as we need to sort out our own government before we can deal with the EU properly..

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit on, this is a clusterf**k of the highest order..

[Metalmicky]

Seeing Sourbry and Blackford cuddling on the steps of the Supreme Court makes me feel a bit sick.  Oh and now Bercow is piping up again... 

[tommy toes]

Bercow has got to pipe up. It's his job to get Parliament back again!

[MachoMadness]

He can always appeal to the European Court of Justice...

[Metalmicky]

Bercow has got to pipe up. It's his job to get Parliament back again!

His job maybe - but he does it with such relish......

[drfcsteve]

A unanimous Judgment by the highest court in the land that the Prime Minister acted unlawfully.

I eagerly await to hear how this is Corbyn's fault.

[drfchound]

A unanimous Judgment by the highest court in the land that the Prime Minister acted unlawfully.

I eagerly await to hear how this is Corbyn's fault.

Why would anyone suggest that?

[Metalmicky]

A unanimous Judgment by the highest court in the land that the Prime Minister acted unlawfully.

I eagerly await to hear how this is Corbyn's fault.

Why would anyone suggest that?

TBF - I'd be surprised if Corbyn had an opinion on it.... 

[bobjimwilly]

"Unprecedented, extraordinary, ground breaking - it is difficult to overestimate the constitutional and political significance or today's ruling."
Great quote from the BBC journo reporting on this.
BJ is in big trouble.