Parliament to be prorogued

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632

Utterly beyond belief.

We are in the middle of the biggest peacetime crisis since the Restoration.

Don't ANY of you Brexit supporters talk about democracy now. This destroys our entire concept of Parliamentary democracy.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

What is the law on this?

Surprises me they will do it, but is it perfectly allowed?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Technically yes.

But it is supposed to be done only in times of national emergency.

Johnson is doing it because he knows he'd be turfed out by Parliament in the next few weeks.

You need to stop and consider the magnitude of this. Never in 250 years has a PM dismissed Parliament because he couldn't command their support.

The WHOLE basis if our democracy is that PARLIAMENT is sovereign. If you don't like what your MP then vote them out. But Johnson is now saying that HE as PM is sovereign. How does someone in Doncaster vote him out?

[Filo]

We are now a Dictatorship

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So doing a bit of looking, it looks like it was done in 1948 by the then Labour government due to an issue with the lords, not parliament (crucial difference).

They are using the convenience of timing to get a Queens speech through and quite right that is normal, but they are certainly using that to their advantage.  Where the opposite argument is, is that parliament will actually sit before this happens, which does give the MPs opportunity effectively to oust him if they so wish by no confidence vote?  Not to mention parliament would be out for most of that period regardless of this for the conferences, so it's not quite as bad as being made out.  However, I still feel it's a wrong move just for the connotations and spin of it...

[Donnywolf]

We are now a Dictatorship

Pompous w****r - HIM not you of course

[BillyStubbsTears]

The 1948 example is not remotely in this league. Because it was done to enforce the will of the House of Commons against the House of Lords. The Commons had a mandate for that policy. And the policy would have passed anyway. The Lord's couldn't block it, just delay it.

This is being done to enforce the will of the PM against the House of Commons.

That's a coup. Pure and simple.

It basically means that, if he's not brought down immediately, there is no way for the Commons to enforce its will over the biggest decision this country has faced outside war since the 1680s. Because, if the Commons tries to force him in mid-Oct, he can just dissolve Parliament and call an Election for AFTER the Brexit date.

The rest of this week is going to be the most explosive in UK politics since 1940.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1166644255328260096

Every word.

[Glyn_Wigley]

We are now a Dictatorship

Not yet. I'm expecting Rees-Mogg to burn down the Palace Of Westminster and Johnson to blame the Remainers first.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It'd be fascinating to know how many of Johnson's spiv mates were shorting the Pound before this morning's announcement.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I've just seen Johnson being interviewed about this. The git couldn't help himself from smirking and chuckling his way through it. He might as well have had 'Look at me, aren't I clever?' written on his forehead.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But it's not him being clever. He's not clever or brave enough to do this himself.

It's got the dabs of that megalomaniac headcase, Cummings all over it.

[GazLaz]

It'd be fascinating to know how many of Johnson's spiv mates were shorting the Pound before this morning's announcement.

That was the first thing I thought. Its a 100% fact that people will have made fortunes out of this.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Anyway. We now know what Johnson meant when he gurned and banged the table and shouted "Let's take back control" in 2016.

It wasn't about taking back control for us. It was only ever about him.

It makes me weep, the number of decent, honest people that this Kitson has used and deceived

[BillyStubbsTears]

Read this tweet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1166638377397039105

Ask yourself if you can look yourself in the mirror if you support this.

This is what a coup looks like. If they try this on, there needs to be 2 million people downing tools and marching on Downing Street to evict the bas**rd physically.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Regardless of that BST, what do the opposition parties now do?  NO confidence vote (seemingly what BJ wants?), legal cases?????

It's all a big distraction to the fact they should all be working to get the deal that should have been in place months ago!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Regardless of that BST, what do the opposition parties now do?  NO confidence vote (seemingly what BJ wants?), legal cases?????

It's all a big distraction to the fact they should all be working to get the deal that should have been in place months ago!

Since when has the whole of Parliament worked on any deal? They can only vote on what's put in front of them by those who have the power to work on it, and if it's a shit deal it shouldn't expect to get a majority in Parliament just because it's the only one with a 'Brexit' label on it put before them.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But it's not him being clever. He's not clever or brave enough to do this himself.

It's got the dabs of that megalomaniac headcase, Cummings all over it.

Almost certainly. But would you expect Boris to think it's him or Cummings that's being clever?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Johnson (actually, Cummings) knows there IS no alternative deal. He's known this all along.

What Cummings is doing is provoking Parliament into a nuclear option.

Then we have an election where the Cummings line is "See! Them bas**rd MPs are against you. Oh and here's the ladder up into the Magic Money Tree that we spent a decade telling you didn't exist".

He is dangerously clever. He's pulling all the strings. He's pulled a genius stroke with Javid. Got him to announce a spending review next week which will promise to shower money on the electorate to set the ground for a General Election. Thing is, you'd normally do that via a Budget.

But.

If we had a Budget, the OBR would be obliged to privide economic projections, covering the No Deal future. And of course, the Govt does not want THAT getting out. So it's not a Budget. It's a spending review. And they can spin us all with their f**king bullshit.

[MachoMadness]

This is really scary. This is how it happens, folks.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Johnson (actually, Cummings) knows there IS no alternative deal. He's known this all along.

What Cummings is doing is provoking Parliament into a nuclear option.

Then we have an election where the Cummings line is "See! Them bas**rd MPs are against you. Oh and here's the ladder up into the Magic Money Tree that we spent a decade telling you didn't exist".

He is dangerously clever. He's pulling all the strings. He's pulled a genius stroke with Javid. Got him to announce a spending review next week which will promise to shower money on the electorate to set the ground for a General Election. Thing is, you'd normally do that via a Budget.

But.

If we had a Budget, the OBR would be obliged to privide economic projections, covering the No Deal future. And of course, the Govt does not want THAT getting out. So it's not a Budget. It's a spending review. And they can spin us all with their f**king bullshit.

Also, a Budget would require Parliament to be sitting to listen and vote on it!!

[swifty50]

It's a bloody ETON MESS right wing coup

[glosterred]

Well done Boris, doing what the majority of the people voted for, getting this country out of The EU

[IDM]

At what cost.?

Did the majority vote for a no deal Brexit.??  Did they.??

Pigf**kery of the highest order..

[bobjimwilly]

Well done Boris, doing what the majority of the people voted for, getting this country out of The EU

Not ONE politician or brexit supporter promoted the idea of a no deal brexit. Not one.

[johniemuirslegs]

Well done Boris, doing what the majority of the people voted for, getting this country out of The EU

Well said

[SydneyRover]

It's pretty bad when you can't govern via parliament so you have to resort to this, setting a precedent so that it can be done by others in the future. I hope boris gets torn up and thrown out.

Guido Johnson lives and hopefully dies by the sword.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If they want to they can vote him out next week, we appear to be forgetting that, hence they do still have the power.  Will they?

I do not think at all BJ is making the right choice on this personally, but I also don't think it's some form of shocking coup given they could force him out of government if they wish.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

Read that tweet form Robert Peston. A Senior No10 adviser (read: Cummings) has said that if Johnson loses a VONC, they will just refuse to leave Downing Street or recommend an alternative PM to the Queen. Just count down the clock for a fortnight then call an Election. So Parliament wouldn't have to chance to stop No Deal.

Quite unbelievable that we're even discussing this, but that's the sort of rules that Cummings plays by. It would be a coup. Nothing less.

[SydneyRover]

This will seriously damaged Johnson and if he fails it will be the end of his public pubic life, if he succeeds then I think his party will use him and then turf him out hoping that it removes the stain as he goes.