Parliament to be prorogued

[Ldr]

Yes or no, stop deflecting

[SydneyRover]

No I'm not deflecting which came first England's occupation of Ireland and the subjugation of it's population or the IRA.

I really do not want to open up this to a general thread.

[Ldr]

Classic deflecting, yes or no

[SydneyRover]

Classic deflecting, yes or no

I do not want to hijack this topic and trivialise such a subject so I will not respond further if you wish to claim a victory then do so, enjoy it

[glosterred]

Classic deflecting, yes or no

I do not want to hijack this topic and trivialise such a subject so I will not respond further if you wish to claim a victory then do so, enjoy it

More classic deflecting

[BillyStubbsTears]

Spokesman for the Brexit Party on R5 tonight.

Remember Farage saying how we should aim to be like Norway? Well scrap that. His take was that any deal that Johnson could cut (which would be a far harder separation than Norway has from the EU) is unacceptable and worse than staying in. They will only accept No Deal.

Don't ANYONE on here tell me that the Brexit Party are committed to the democratic sanctity of the 2016 result. Farage NEVER campaigned for No Deal. He said that anyone who suggested we'd leave without a deal was engaging in Project Fear. He's changed his position by a million miles since 2016. That alone invalidates the Referendum result.

[wilts rover]

Or Farage himself on his LBC show (no I didn't listen)

Johnson's speech tonight has made it very unlikely there will be a pact with the Tories. The Brexit Party want a No Deal but the speech has made it clear Johnson wants a deal.

How's the war gaming going Dominic?

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/status/1168585237036752896

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating how Farage is paid by LBC to use LBC as his own propaganda channel.

[wilts rover]

Maybe not, but he does sympathize with terrorists to the point of supporting them publicly whilst they were killing our own people (IRA) invited them to tea in the HoC (Hamas and Hezbollah) by your own admission silent on Russian atrocities in Syria. Unable (unwilling) to control the antisemitism within labour, again happy to let the Momentum bully boys hound out good mps, drag the party to the extremes of the spectrum. Are you seriously saying either man is fit to lead this country?

Really? When did Corbyn publicly support the IRA?

Not Sinn Fein, or detainees, or the Guilford 4 or Birmingham 6 or condemned the government policy in Northern Ireland but the actual activities of the IRA. When did Corbyn publicaly support the IRA?

This might help you https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-corbyn-on-northern-ireland

[Ldr]

BST are you really that desperate to paint the referendum as invalid, you look down that much on your fellow voters? One pillock changing what he says makes just that, one pillock.

[SydneyRover]

I'm still shaking my head to see why if the vote was valid (not binding) and the same party that called the vote are still in power 3 years later and no other party has stood in their way why we haven't got brexit over the line, oh I forgot they shot themselves in the arse.

[Ldr]

Wilts as below, comrade Sydney, guess we have to draw our own conclusions as to where your sympathies lie.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/

[SydneyRover]

I've got about 12 files in the shed plus about 40 in my specially built filing cabinet of which some are as yet empty.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST are you really that desperate to paint the referendum as invalid, you look down that much on your fellow voters? One pillock changing what he says makes just that, one pillock.

Ldr.

Are you saying that Farage had no bearing on the Referendum result?

And no. I do not look down on Leave voters. It's Farage who looks down on them. He holds them in contempt if he thinks he can flip his opinion from 2016 to now and they won't care.

It's Gove who holds the Leave voters in contempt if he could say this in 2016 and now support No Deal.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tompeck/status/1168479741491462144

Don't point the finger at me with zero evidence. Look at who REALLY despises the Leave voters' intelligence.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way, if Labour support a GE which will be ONLY about Brexit, this is the scale of the problem they have.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/are-you-satisfied-or-dissatisfied-with-the-way-jeremy-corbyn-is-handling-britains-exit-from-the-european-union/

Those who insist that the country will flock to Corbyn as they did in 2017 are on a different planet. This GE will be a totally different beast. He won't have a PM who is unable to function in public. He won't have an LD party on life support. And most critically, he won't be able to neutralise the issue of Brexit and focus on other issues.

It's some task ahead.

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS Ldr.

Add Dominic Cummings to the list of folk who thinks Leave voters are too thick to remember what Leave campaigners were saying in 2016.

This is what he said then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/robtelford/status/1168486845136691200

[BillyStubbsTears]

Shall we continue?

Cummings also said this in 2016.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesevison/status/1168541660537610240

How thick do you think he reckons Leave voters are?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Then of course there was David Davis.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cookiris14/status/1168578320864284675

He thinks the Leave voters are too thick to remember him saying this.

[Bentley Bullet]

He shares your views then, doesn't he?

[Ldr]

So BST, in short we are all f**ked regardless of what happens at this point

[wilts rover]

Wilts as below, comrade Sydney, guess we have to draw our own conclusions as to where your sympathies lie.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/

I will repeat again - when did Corbyn publicaly support the IRA? Not - what has the Daily Telegraph written about Corbyn - when did Corbyn publicaly support the IRA.

You can deduce all you want to LDR. I have written before about my near miss with an IRA bomb and my work promoting the British Army.

Thing is I am glad there is a peace agreement in NI and that the days of violence are over. You appear not to be.

[Ldr]

Not too sure what you base that last sentence on

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

We certainly are if people refuse to consider who benefits from the Brexit process, and just use it like some do (and I'm certainly not pointing the finger at you here) to indulge themselves in what our American friends call Lib-baiting.

[Ldr]

I guess I'm just seeing things optimistically rather than pessimistically then

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm an inveterate optimist generally. But seeing people just shrug their shoulders at the obvious deception on SUCH an important issue makes me question that.

Seeing people shrug their shoulders at the fact that we've already lost well over £100bn in economic output due to the massive slowdown since 2016 worries me.

Seeing people shrug their shoulders at the scale of the crisis that No Deal would bring, frankly terrifies me. Because it shows that people can be persuaded to take decisions that are massively against their interests. And if that becomes embedded then we truly are f**ked.

[Bentley Bullet]

It's quite amusing really. The same posters that preach about positivity and optimism in this forum's football section, expressing their disgust at other posters negativity, are the very same posters that preach negativity on this off-topic forum, expressing their disgust at other posters positivity!

[IDM]

BB, the football is an entertainment, a distraction from the perils of everyday life which we all love and sometimes despair.

But it is far less important that something like Brexit.  If you can’t see that, I would struggle to take you seriously..

The issue now isn’t about “stopping Brexit” - certainly not for me, its about ensuring Brexit happens for the best interests of the country and definitely not No Deal.  That would be a disaster..

But anyone opposing the process Boris is clearly trying to force through is accused of only wanting to stop Brexit, period, and for ignoring the 17.4 million leave voters.. I’m sorry but that’s b*llocks..

[Bentley Bullet]

IDM. Of course, showing support for Rovers is far less serious than showing no support for democracy, that goes without saying and is not my point.

The issue IS about stopping Brexit for many remoaners, and some of them are on this forum in my opinion.

Like I keep saying, I don't believe many people want a no-deal conclusion, but I do believe that the threat to walk away from the EU's 'final offer' is a pivotal part of the negotiations. Take away that threat and the EU hold a far superior hand.

You might think that's b*llocks. I don't.

[SydneyRover]

Even since we told the EU that we were leaving and all of the b*llocks that went with that 'hand' we shot ourselves in the groin early in the piece and now cunnings-boris is trying desperately trying to create the illusion that we have 4 aces when in fact we have 4 arses. Cameron, May, Johnson and Cummings.

[Bentley Bullet]

.......And an even bigger arse, Corbyn, in the pile ready to be picked up.