Parliament to be prorogued

[bobjimwilly]

Ken Clarke stops up in the debate last night and said BJ just can’t be trusted and everything he says is fabricated. It was quite strong stuff.

Whatever you say or think about Corbyn, he's played a blinder the last couple of days. Some said he would fall for the "elephant trap" but he's shown he's not naive; he will NOT agree to a general election until this anti no-deal bill has become law. The one thing Johnson said he can/will do, he can't/won't. I'm not sure Labour will win a majority, but they will have more chance of forming a coalition than the rotten Tories.

[DonnyOsmond]

Ken Clarke stops up in the debate last night and said BJ just can’t be trusted and everything he says is fabricated. It was quite strong stuff.

Whatever you say or think about Corbyn, he's played a blinder the last couple of days. Some said he would fall for the "elephant trap" but he's shown he's not naive; he will NOT agree to a general election until this anti no-deal bill has become law. The one thing Johnson said he can/will do, he can't/won't. I'm not sure Labour will win a majority, but they will have more chance of forming a coalition than the rotten Tories.

I do fear a Brexit Party/Tory coalition.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Agreed BJW.

Meanwhile, the very stable genius, Cummings, was apparently shit faced in Westminster last night, staggering round the corridors shouting at people.

EDIT.

It was actually the night before. And he was haranguing Corbyn.

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2019/09/dominic-cummings-go-home-youre-drunk.html?m=1

Has anybody got the phone number of the ghost of Norris McWhirter? I think we've got a candidate for the Fastest Coming Off of Wheels world record.

[MachoMadness]

It's funny how every Brexiter talking point is now coming back around. How many times have we heard about that unelected drunkard Juncker? Now we have an unelected drunkard Cummings teararsing round Parliament shouting abuse at our politicians. Remarkable.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If people took or had taken more interest in politics and the future of the country there would have been no brexit in the first place, those that are disinterested or too lazy to think for themselves and taking cues from boris and his ilk that only want outcomes that suit themselves are the problem I would have thought. And we get back to the circular debate, there has been nothing stated from a single credible economist that says Britain will be better off with any form of brexit.

Please anyone tell me what they want from brexit and how the country will be better.

Here we go, the leavers are thick again!  Could you be any more patronising?

[SydneyRover]

If you wish to take my comment as aimed at brexiter's only I can't help that bfyp, I'm thinking if more people had understood what is being taken away from them they wouldn't have joined the brexit camp in the first place. There are plenty of left wing voters that didn't get off their backsides to vote.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If you wish to take my comment as aimed at brexiter's only I can't help that bfyp, I'm thinking if more people had understood what is being taken away from them they wouldn't have joined the brexit camp in the first place. There are plenty of left wing voters that didn't get off their backsides to vote.

Plenty of people understood, you just assume they voted that way because they didn't understand which I'm sorry is just wrong.  This is the problem, that viewpoint isn't going to be changed unless people understand why it's a viewpoint.  A lot of people voted that way because they didn't like mechanisms of the EU and wanted change.  It's all well and good asking for a leave based on x,y,z but who on the remain side is mentioning remain based on x,y,z?  Absolutely nobody as far as I can see.

[SydneyRover]

And what about the millions that didn't vote? are you telling me that those that voted for johnson are thinking up to date fair minded voters?

[SydneyRover]

If you wish to take my comment as aimed at brexiter's only I can't help that bfyp, I'm thinking if more people had understood what is being taken away from them they wouldn't have joined the brexit camp in the first place. There are plenty of left wing voters that didn't get off their backsides to vote.

Plenty of people understood, you just assume they voted that way because they didn't understand which I'm sorry is just wrong.  This is the problem, that viewpoint isn't going to be changed unless people understand why it's a viewpoint.  A lot of people voted that way because they didn't like mechanisms of the EU and wanted change.  It's all well and good asking for a leave based on x,y,z but who on the remain side is mentioning remain based on x,y,z?  Absolutely nobody as far as I can see.

The remain argument is based on everything brexit is not, a better economy short and long term, better conditions for workers, more equitable distribution of public money throughout the country, no war between members of the EU ................... tbc

[tommy toes]

Saw the front page of todays Daily Fail online which is nothing short of a complete distortion of the facts, basically blaming Corbyn for everything.
Problem is the readers of that rag take it all in if they don't, as most people don't, dig deeper.
That kind of stuff has been drip drip dripping into the nation's consciousness from all over the media ever since the Left took control of the Labour Party and it sticks.
This morning John McDonnell explained quite clearly on BBC breakfast, why Labour were not taking the offer of an election before no deal was off the table, yet the presenter kept on haranguing him about it.

[SydneyRover]

Unfortunately TT the control of the majority of the media is in the hand of the centre and right wing, added to it that sensationalism sells copy especially in the yellow press-would you like a serve of labour/left wing bashing with you sport sir/madam?

Added: And to prove my point:

PM cornered': how the papers covered Johnson's horror day in Commons

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/05/pm-cornered-how-the-papers-covered-johnsons-horror-day-in-commons

[SydneyRover]

Curiouser and curiouser

''Jo Johnson, brother of UK PM, quits as Tory MP and minister saying he is "torn between family and national interest"''

[Filo]

Curiouser and curiouser

''Jo Johnson, brother of UK PM, quits as Tory MP and minister saying he is "torn between family and national interest"''

Yes it appears Boris has indirectly sacked his brother 😀

[SydneyRover]

Here's JJ's tweet (from the Guardian)

It’s been an honour to represent Orpington for 9 years & to serve as a minister under three PMs. In recent weeks I’ve been torn between family loyalty and the national interest - it’s an unresolvable tension & time for others to take on my roles as MP & Minister. #overandout
September 5, 2019

[foxbat]

Johnson’s premiership is in tatters.

His October election call a last desperate throw of dice.

Labour & the other opposition parties must not save him, but ensure an election is only called after October 31st, when he will have failed completely.

[SydneyRover]

It will be interesting around the family dinner table on Sunday?

[SydneyRover]

Tweet from Simon Hoare (the Guardian)

    Simon Hoare Esq., MP (@Simon4NDorset)

    There’s deep disquiet across the Party at the handling of this issue of the Whip. We can’t win unless our base is broad and representative of all strands of opinion. No10 needs to rethink and fast. I think we are better being like Churchill and NOT Stalin #toriesdontpurge https://t.co/3pwr1rsbr6
    September 5, 2019

[SydneyRover]

What's the next plan from No 10 put all the blame on Cummings and then cut him adrift?

Tele pay wall:

Dominic Cummings personally sabotaged a compromise plan put forward by the Conservative MPs who went on to rebel against the Government, the Telegraph has learnt.

''The Prime Minister's chief adviser launched a foul-mouth tirade against former business secretary Greg Clark after he proposed the government set aside a day after the October European summit for MPs to vote on a no-deal Brexit.

The proposal would have meant MPs would have been able to see the shape of Boris Johnson's negotiation plan before voting on whether a further extension to the negotiations was necessary'' ........................................................

[SydneyRover]

This is what a big slice of the country is being fed on bfyp and unfortunately the drip feed works.

''THE SUN SAYS Corbyn was always an unpleasant dimwit and a liar – turns out he’s chicken too''

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9865044/corbyn-dimwit-liar-and-chicken-brexit/

''THE Sun is officially the most read newspaper and website in the country — according to a new governing body. A definitive survey shows 33.3million adults now read The Sun every month. The Sun is the most-read newspaper from Monday to Saturday — and The Sun on Sunday also leads the way.
The Sun is officially Britain's most read newspaper and website with ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk › the-sun-britains-most-popular-paper-33million''

[BillyStubbsTears]

Looks like an October GE now.

Govt are rushing through the No Deal block Bill and are re-tabling the motion to call a GE. Difficult to see how Corbyn or SNP can not vote for the GE once the Bill has been implemented.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I wouldn't know Sydney as I don't read it, it's tosh IMO (tends to be the times I read and very occasionally).  The Sun and the mirror are both of the same ilk so it's no surprise that it's not high brow.

With Johnson it will be interesting to see how it plays out, it can only get better for him really.  If Labour don't win a majority then how can Corbyn be seen but anything other than failure.....

I could actually see them ditching Cummings...

This is a huge risk by the government and BJ must really think he has an ace somewhere up his sleave.  What a gamble.

[SydneyRover]

You don't read it, I don't read it and there may be millions that don't read it for the politics but it's always there in all those homes ans businesses telling everyone that labour and corbyn are no hopers and can't handle the economy, government and anyhing they care to name ............. the drip drip drip of the rich newspaper barons deciding what government they want to back.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP

Regarding Johnson having an ace.

I thought Cummings had Game Theoried all this but it looks like I overestimated him. He's going round like a flywheel that's broken out of its bearings.

I can't see Johnson having a clever alternative plan if Cummings has gone bat shit. It all comes down to who performs best in the GE campaign. Johnson didn't look ready for that at PMQ yesterday because Corbyn flayed him. Not that you'd know that from most of the papers' coverage.

[GazLaz]

Looks like an October GE now.

Govt are rushing through the No Deal block Bill and are re-tabling the motion to call a GE. Difficult to see how Corbyn or SNP can not vote for the GE once the Bill has been implemented.

Do we need to rely on Labour, LDs and the SNP getting enough seats to oust the government? I’m sure the LDs have said in the past that they wouldn’t entertain working with JC, but needs must maybe.

[Padge_DRFC]

Ken Clarke stops up in the debate last night and said BJ just can’t be trusted and everything he says is fabricated. It was quite strong stuff.

Whatever you say or think about Corbyn, he's played a blinder the last couple of days. Some said he would fall for the "elephant trap" but he's shown he's not naive; he will NOT agree to a general election until this anti no-deal bill has become law. The one thing Johnson said he can/will do, he can't/won't. I'm not sure Labour will win a majority, but they will have more chance of forming a coalition than the rotten Tories.

I do fear a Brexit Party/Tory coalition.

Good

[BillyStubbsTears]

Farage is on record (1) as saying that he'll only collaborate with the Tories if they stand on a policy of going only for No Deal.

If the Tories do that, they'll haemorrhage votes to the LDs.

(1)...yeah...I know...

[DonnyOsmond]

Ken Clarke stops up in the debate last night and said BJ just can’t be trusted and everything he says is fabricated. It was quite strong stuff.

Whatever you say or think about Corbyn, he's played a blinder the last couple of days. Some said he would fall for the "elephant trap" but he's shown he's not naive; he will NOT agree to a general election until this anti no-deal bill has become law. The one thing Johnson said he can/will do, he can't/won't. I'm not sure Labour will win a majority, but they will have more chance of forming a coalition than the rotten Tories.

I do fear a Brexit Party/Tory coalition.

Good

Do you want this country to be ruined by some extreme right wingers?

[SydneyRover]

It would be hard to pick the biggest liar, johnson or farage but some appear to be happy to support either or both.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well if you're wondering why Farage has been relatively quiet this past few weeks, here's what he's been doing.

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/08/01/bannon-and-farage-again-opaque-us-lobbying-group-intervenes-in-brexit/

Setting up a vehicle for far right money men in the USA to funnel money into the Brexit Party.

Taking back control eh?

[Glyn_Wigley]

If you don't take back control you can't sell it!