Jeremy Corbyn

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To all of you having a pop at me today, point me to where I've ever defended either Boris Johnson or the Tory Party. What I've always said is that the rabble in Westminster are all useless, and have been accused of being a "lazy thinker" because of it.

Well it looks like my views are vindicated today, as both Corbyn and McDonnell had stated that once the bill to block Non Deal had been locked down, they'd vote for an election. Now they''re saying they won't.

So they're not only cowards and cheats, they're a pair of f*cking liars as well.

It hasn't been given Royal Assent yet, so it's not locked down.

Have you bothered to read the 2017 Labour Manifesto yet?

But it will have Royal Assent by Monday, before the motion for a GE, and they're still going to vote against it. They're simply reneging on what they've said.

No wonder people's trust in politicians is at an all time low.

If Boris is true to his word (we know he’s not), then when the Bill gets Royal asscent, and his bid for a General Election fails, he will have to go get a deal like he claims he can [we know he can’t) or he steps down as PM, why should the opposition let him off the hook himself? It’s like the old saying, give the man enough rop and he’ll hang himself

[scawsby steve]

To all of you having a pop at me today, point me to where I've ever defended either Boris Johnson or the Tory Party. What I've always said is that the rabble in Westminster are all useless, and have been accused of being a "lazy thinker" because of it.

Well it looks like my views are vindicated today, as both Corbyn and McDonnell had stated that once the bill to block Non Deal had been locked down, they'd vote for an election. Now they''re saying they won't.

So they're not only cowards and cheats, they're a pair of f*cking liars as well.

It hasn't been given Royal Assent yet, so it's not locked down.

Have you bothered to read the 2017 Labour Manifesto yet?

But it will have Royal Assent by Monday, before the motion for a GE, and they're still going to vote against it. They're simply reneging on what they've said.

No wonder people's trust in politicians is at an all time low.

Look on the bright side, it allows Boris the time to do what he keeps on promising us he's going to do - of going to the EU on Oct 17th and bringing back a deal. In which case all the anti-No Deal stuff will become irrelevant.

The EU won't give him a new deal, and if they did, Parliament would reject it. It's all become so personal now that the opposition won't vote for him for anything.

[DRFCSouth]

It’s deliberate sabotage on behalf of all remainers, with the ultimate aim to overturn the original result.
I think at the next General Election we should adopt best of 3 just to make sure. And then maybe if we’re still not happy, best of 5.

[Bentley Bullet]

It’s deliberate sabotage on behalf of all remainers, with the ultimate aim to overturn the original result.
I think at the next General Election we should adopt best of 3 just to make sure. And then maybe if we’re still not happy, best of 5.

That is exactly what it has been all along. It has been the biggest act of propaganda I've known in my lifetime, and Remoaners have been well and truly conned into believing that parliament's reluctance to carry out the result of a democratic vote was done in the name of democracy!

They have been well and truly had, and as a result, all of us have.

[DonnyOsmond]

To all of you having a pop at me today, point me to where I've ever defended either Boris Johnson or the Tory Party. What I've always said is that the rabble in Westminster are all useless, and have been accused of being a "lazy thinker" because of it.

Well it looks like my views are vindicated today, as both Corbyn and McDonnell had stated that once the bill to block Non Deal had been locked down, they'd vote for an election. Now they''re saying they won't.

So they're not only cowards and cheats, they're a pair of f*cking liars as well.

They're clearly waiting till after Boris has extended it. No one wants to take over running a country with a couple weeks before deadline. Boris extends and they'll be 100% up for a November election. We have also had it speculated today that Boris requested a October date so that students won't have time to update addresses which plays into Tory hands, so why would Labour help Tories?

Edit: Its not speculated actually. Boris's aides have admitted it.

[Copps is Magic]

It’s deliberate sabotage on behalf of all remainers, with the ultimate aim to overturn the original result.
I think at the next General Election we should adopt best of 3 just to make sure. And then maybe if we’re still not happy, best of 5.

That is exactly what it has been all along. It has been the biggest act of propaganda I've known in my lifetime, and Remoaners have been well and truly conned into believing that parliament's reluctance to carry out the result of a democratic vote was done in the name of democracy!

That's such a gross reduction/misrepresentation of reality its laughable. In fact, its not laughable its just really disappointing that some people have hold such simplistic viewpoints. The only deal presented to parliament was voted down by both remain and leave MPs. The 2nd best suggestions we've had to resolving this whole mess was Ken Clarke's indicative vote for a customs union, again voted down almost completely by Tory MPs.

Secondly, the events of the last few days was nothing to do with any reluctance to carry out Brexit, it was cynical political manoeuvring pure and simple.

[Bentley Bullet]

Then laugh away CIM, while you still can.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Didn’t Johnson vote 3 times against a Brexit deal? So he clearly wasn’t that arsed about leaving

[Copps is Magic]

Then laugh away CIM, while you still can.

I don't know what that means exactly.

But as I said, I am not laughing. I don't think anyone is at this stage. I think everyone is fed up and wants a resolution.

I voted to remain, but I am completely content at this stage to accept some form of deal and leave; broadly leaving the political union but having close economic/rights alignment - something like that. and I think any sensible government would seek a meaningful extension and a meaningful renegoation agenda/timetable to try and achieve that but a sensible government is something we don't have.

[Bentley Bullet]

Didn’t Johnson vote 3 times against a Brexit deal? So he clearly wasn’t that arsed about leaving

Johnson voted against the deal because he thought it was a crap deal. That didn't mean he wanted to remain, it meant he wanted to leave with either better terms or leave with no deal. The problem was those who voted against it who had no intention of voting for it irrespective of the deal. Those who were adamant that we should remain and not carry out a democratically voted result.

The really disappointing tragic aspect of it all is those members of the public who support Parliament in doing this, and as a result, changing democracy for ever in this country just to get the result overturned.

[BillyStubbsTears]

South.

The far-Right wing of the Tory party, and the DUP voted against May's deal three times.

If they didn't do that, we'd have been out 6 months back.

Remind me which role they were playing in the remainer sabotage?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Point of fact.

Johnson voted against May's deal twice, then in favour of it, then said it was a betrayal.

Fill your boots on interpreting that.

[bobjimwilly]

It's an absolute joke than people claim remainers are the ones being conned; how can anyone not see the real reason the elite and billionaires want no-deal? Here's a hint: it's not a co-incident they all have millions in the bank!

And let's please not confuse with leaving the EU with no deal as the same thing as walking away from a bad deal - leaving with no deal IS THE bad deal; it's the worst case for everything and everyone (who isn't a millionaire with millions in off-shore tax-havens)
It's like being offered a terrible deal on a car, so you reject the terrible deal, take the car and pay full price.

[Donnywolf]

It’s deliberate sabotage on behalf of all remainers, with the ultimate aim to overturn the original result.
I think at the next General Election we should adopt best of 3 just to make sure. And then maybe if we’re still not happy, best of 5.

I hate to go over old ground - but I just searched and found 9 times I have written this already (has everyone got me on Ignore).
 People (mainly Tory MPs) keep saying "We must respect the will of the British people" and it would be an affront to Democracy NOT to leave when we had a Referendum in which the people voted (overwhelmingly) to LEAVE

Others say we cant have a 2nd Referendum because if it goes the "other way" whats next best of 3 ?

Well - I always say we have already had 2 Referndums on the EU. The first was in 1975. I agree that seems a long while ago to to on here who were not born - but then 2016 is already a long time ago to some people isnt it - like the kids who could not vote and who will on average be around longest

In 75 after a trial period of EEC Membership we were asked would you like to join/ Remain in or Leave the EEC ? Simple as that and 66% of those voting voted for REMAIN. 33% of those voting (including me) voted LEAVE.

So 66 Remain 33 Leave = a Majority of 33 (Thirty three per cent to remain). THere was no great hoo ha - not 3 years plus of s**t like we have to listed to and read daily - because it just wasnt an issue.

EXCEPT of course for the Tory Party (mainly who were split on the issue) and continued to undermine the result over the next 40 years. They did not have the muscle / clout / call it what you will but they never stopped tring to overturn the overwhelming  "will of the people" in the 1975 Referendum
Lets just state again Majority in 1975 to REMAIN was 33%

Thats is 7 to 8 times MORE that the 2016 Referendum which Cameron called to finally try to shut the yapping gits up and unite his Party once and for all. He failed to do that because a) he did not campaign actively and so looked a wimp - and b) he failed to say we need a majority of (say) 60% to change our current status and again he didnt and the rest is history

So we have a situation where a very devisive result (lets say 4%) to Leave has caused this complete s**t storm and something totally unprecedented with nearly 5 years now of man v man and woman.

People like me are branded Remainiacs Remoners and all sorts of other stuff (the observant may have noticed I voted for the losing side again) - and yet the very people calling for democracy to be respected are those that behind the scenes dissed the 75 Referendum result and I for one would love it - love it if we have another Referendum soon

It will then have been the best of 3 - and I will finally get a chance to be on the winning side for the first time because I am convinced that people would vote Remain. Who knows ?

Instead of the daily s**T we get served up with and have to endure why not put Mays deal on a Ballot Paper v Remain then we will see what the current Will of the British people is right at this moment. If it coems up Leave with Mays deal I will take iton the chin - and I will die knowing I voted for the losing side three times in a row

[Bentley Bullet]

Wolfie. Democracy is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. If the result of a vote is not observed, meaning the power is taken away from the voters, what is the point in having another vote? What is the point in democracy thereafter?

Of course, it is equally democratic to hold another vote in the future and change the original vote if the country so desires, but only after the original vote has been implemented, otherwise what would be the point? Subverting a vote is not democratic!

[Copps is Magic]

Didn’t Johnson vote 3 times against a Brexit deal? So he clearly wasn’t that arsed about leaving

The problem was those who voted against it who had no intention of voting for it irrespective of the deal. Those who were adamant that we should remain and not carry out a democratically voted result.

That doesn't stand up to scrutiny either I am afraid. I suggest you go back and look at the indicative votes and look at who exactly voted against what.

There was only one group who consistently voted against any alternative and that was the no-deal MPs.

[Copps is Magic]

Pretty interesting this democracy lark then Bentley isn't it? It seems in your view its one rule for Borris, and another rule for the rest of us.

[Bentley Bullet]

And what rule is that CIM?

[scawsby steve]

To all of you having a pop at me today, point me to where I've ever defended either Boris Johnson or the Tory Party. What I've always said is that the rabble in Westminster are all useless, and have been accused of being a "lazy thinker" because of it.

Well it looks like my views are vindicated today, as both Corbyn and McDonnell had stated that once the bill to block Non Deal had been locked down, they'd vote for an election. Now they''re saying they won't.

So they're not only cowards and cheats, they're a pair of f*cking liars as well.

They're clearly waiting till after Boris has extended it. No one wants to take over running a country with a couple weeks before deadline. Boris extends and they'll be 100% up for a November election. We have also had it speculated today that Boris requested a October date so that students won't have time to update addresses which plays into Tory hands, so why would Labour help Tories?

Edit: Its not speculated actually. Boris's aides have admitted it.

You're missing my point DO, which is that Corbyn and McDonnell lied when they said they would vote for an election once the No Deal bill got Royal Assent. The inference on here is always that the only liars in all this are Johnson and the ERG.

As I've said before, they all lie and con and cheat to pursue their agendas.

[SydneyRover]

So did they give you a date?

[Copps is Magic]

And what rule is that CIM?

Its in your last two posts.

You said Borris was within his right to vote against an outcome that would lead to brexit, and the very next post you said it was undemocratic to vote for any outcome that would not lead to brexit (i.e. the will of the people).

[Copps is Magic]

Rather than getting stuck in these contradictions, I think it might just be better to accept that democracy is a bit more complicated than you are letting on.

[Bentley Bullet]

Boris was quite within his rights to vote against a type of Brexit he didn't agree with. It didn't mean he wanted to go against a democratic vote by wanting to remain!

[SydneyRover]

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[Bentley Bullet]

Aye, get off to bed Syderney. Let the mesters have a bit of adult time. You must be very tired after a hard week at school!

[SydneyRover]

night night, hope your feeling better after the election

[Bentley Bullet]

I won't tell you again BED!

[scawsby steve]

So did they give you a date?

Give me a date? What on Earth are you on about?

[rtid88]

Ben Elton was on Virgin Radio this morning.. His short few minute thoughts on the referendum, Brexit and politicians as a whole was more interesting, true and relevant then anything I've heard recently, you should seek it out!

[Copps is Magic]

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