General Election 2019 - 12th December

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

I think Corbyn made a horrific mistake last Xmas in not coming out unequivocally for Ref2, with Labour supporting Remain.

I suspect (although I hope I am wrong) that will lose Labour an Election that they should have won. And if they do lose it, the blame is 100% on the calls Corbyn and his inner team made last Xmas on Brexit (Corbyn wrote an article then saying he would campaign to Leave in a 2019 Election), that led to Labour losing 3-5 million supporters to the Greens and LDs.

It is a monumental mistake. He might yet pull it back, but the overwhelming likelihood is that he won't.

[Donnywolf]

I think the opposition made a huge tactical error very very recently

Just after Johnson offered them extra time (a few days) as long as they agreed to an Election on Dec 12 they (well at least Labour Libs and SNP) should have - as one - said NO

He said this was the only way to get things done blah blah you all know the rest and they should have said WAIT there is a second way :

We will promise to pass your Bill now and unamended as long as we cant exit on No Deal terms of course and that once it is passed it is put to the people for ratification

HE not THEM would then have been looking like the unreasonable one - well thats what I think should have happened and then would have happened.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

Well I'm glad we've identified that you don't now think it's about the economics

There'll be no reason for you to raise your regular criticisms of economic forecasts of the effect of Brexit in future. In fact, I'm left wondering why you've raised that issue so very many times, when, apparently, it's not about the economics.

I'll criticize economic forecasters if they get it wrong, along with people who, like you, refuse to accept it when they do.

[SydneyRover]

Got any spare links guvnor 

[Not Now Kato]

I doubt many people are against immigration. I suspect plenty are all for controlled immigration that keeps out undesirables, though.

But we always had the capability of controlled immigration BB, it's just that successive Home Secretaries decided not to implement it!  Oh, and do undesirables wear a badge?  Or do you determine that by skin colour?

Who brought skin colour into this thread apart from you? Some of you need to get off your moral high horses.

It was a simple question to BB Steve.  Looks like neither you nor him have an answer.

Are you accusing BB and myself of being racist?

As I said, it was a simple question to BB Steve. Prey tell me where I've accused anyone of being racist.  So, tell me, how do you identify undesirables as they try to enter the country.  And while you're at it, tell me what criteria should be used to define someone as undesirable.

I can't answer for BB, NNK, but I assume he means criminals, which is nothing to do with the colour of their skin.

Thank you Steve, at least that's one definition. But that would only catch 'undesirables' in that category which we already knew about - and we have the capability to do that already without leaving the EU.  I suspect, though I cannot speak for him either, that BB had other thoughts as to what constituted 'undesirable'.

[Bentley Bullet]

By undesirable I mean known criminals and people who haven't found work prior to coming here and come here for a free ride. Obviously, some of them will slip through the net but if they do they should be deported as soon as it is proved to be the case.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Giving up the information links with other EU police and security forces is really going to help us find the 'known' ones.

[Bentley Bullet]

Giving that up would be detrimental to keeping out the undesirables, but so would putting Corbyn and Abbott in power.

[Ldr]

People can point to policies all they want. The salient fact is outside of the hardcore labour bubble, the general public don't like Corbyn and that will be labour's downfall in this election

[SydneyRover]

but better than having undesirables in government.

[Ldr]

Sydney, I appreciate your views but you are in that hardcore labour bubble. Corbyn isn't popular at all in comparison to Johnson (I'll not be voting for him either) if labour are to win they need a change now.

[SydneyRover]

I appreciate your views too but you're wrong you haven't a clue who I vote for.

[Ldr]

This is very true mate, and if any insult then I apologise. Just going on impressions as we all do on here

[DonnyOsmond]

People can point to policies all they want. The salient fact is outside of the hardcore labour bubble, the general public don't like Corbyn and that will be labour's downfall in this election

Such a shame Murdoch and crew are ruling the narrative. People like the quoted post and the one above it lap it up.

[SydneyRover]

thankyou, I just don't support incompetent right wing governments, ever

[selby]

  Sydney, seeing as how the last Labour government bankrupt the country, and the liberals were as culpable as the Tories for austerity, the greens policy will also bankrupt us and put personal transport out of the reach of most of the working population, you  don't have much of a choice there mate.

[Filo]

  Sydney, seeing as how the last Labour government bankrupt the country, and the liberals were as culpable as the Tories for austerity, the greens policy will also bankrupt us and put personal transport out of the reach of most of the working population, you  don't have much of a choice there mate.

Not sure how many times you need telling, but the Labour party did not bankrupt the Country, they actually saved us from that, the GLOBAL crash was caused by the Tories friends, the bankers!

[Bentley Bullet]

  Sydney, seeing as how the last Labour government bankrupt the country, and the liberals were as culpable as the Tories for austerity, the greens policy will also bankrupt us and put personal transport out of the reach of most of the working population, you  don't have much of a choice there mate.

Britain Surrendering Together party? 

[SydneyRover]

With your football blogs you show that you can absorb facts and debate well but when you're are on here you just trot out rubbish that's been blown away years ago, I know you don't agree with anyone left of Attila but you must read bst's comments that disprove that old myth surely.

[SydneyRover]

bb what sort of argument have you booked in for today?

[Bentley Bullet]

Not given it much thought yet, owd lad. I'm attending a British Bulldog meeting shortly.

[SydneyRover]

I see there is a brexit special being made by the little Britain team you should put your hand up you'd be good 

[Bentley Bullet]

Don't mind David Walliams but can't stand that Lucas fella.

[DonnyOsmond]

Labour bankrupt the country.

[Bentley Bullet]

I do wish you economists would stop trying to predict the future.

[SydneyRover]

Will Johnson blink, he said before he wouldn't do a deal but absolutely nobody trusts him.

The elites want to carve up the country-taking back control 



Farage has now finished his opening speech. He is now taking questions.

Q: How many candidates will you stand if the Tories do accept this deal? And when must they decide?

Farage says nominations close on 14 November.

He says he recognises the Tories are a much bigger party.

But there are 150 seats that the Tories have never won in their history. He says these are the seats where the Brexit party would do better, he says. There could be a non-aggression pact. That would benefit the Brexit cause, he says.

He says the Johnson deal is so bad it would amount to “the end of Brexit”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/nov/01/general-election-news-latest-brexit-farage-restates-call-for-brexit-party-pact-with-tories-live-news?page=with:block-5dbc14bc8f08d669

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So it appears Farage wants a deal with the Tories so he can get a full hard on as he says Johnson's deal is not Brexit, he wants to force Johnson into the UK crashing out with no deal.

You don't need an economist to see this bb

Q: Won’t you damage the Tory prospects, and stop Brexit happening?

Farage says Johnson is like a used-car salesman. The car may look fine from the outside. But it isn’t. This is not real Brexit, he says.

[BillyStubbsTears]

People can point to policies all they want. The salient fact is outside of the hardcore labour bubble, the general public don't like Corbyn and that will be labour's downfall in this election

So people like Corbyn's policies but not him? Is it his beard?

[SydneyRover]

I find that tragically funny farage calling Johnson a used car salesman,   

[Ldr]

People can point to policies all they want. The salient fact is outside of the hardcore labour bubble, the general public don't like Corbyn and that will be labour's downfall in this election

So people like Corbyn's policies but not him? Is it his beard?

You're trivialising or attempting to deflect an important point, Labour will struggle to win with him in charge, the brand is tarnished.

[IDM]

They all are Ldr, the major parties anyway.?