General Election 2019 - 12th December

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'll bet you a tenner that there's not a majority votes for Tory and BP combined.

Do you agree that if that happens, there's no democratic mandate for Johnson's Brexit?

But, it would be the biggest mandate of them all wouldn't it?

[SydneyRover]

Surely you would want a report showing how/if the Russian government interferes in British politics & elections before this vote has taken place so you can assure yourself it is not doing so in this GE?

The report might of course say there has been no Russian interference. In that case it is doubly surprising that Johnson hasn't released a report saying he has not done what there is evidence/suspicion of him doing.

In a/the interview yesterday johnson said guff guff that there was no evidence of Russian interference, following the release I would imagine he would resign whatever ever position he holds if interference is found? as he's a man of his word. 

[wilts rover]

statement: “The MPS (Metropolitan Police Service) has received two allegations of electoral fraud and malpractice in relation to the 2019 General Election. The MPS Special Enquiry Team is responsible for investigating all such criminal allegations. Both allegations are currently being assessed.”

Apparently this relates to Farage's allegations that the Tory's have been offering bribes for Brexit Party candidates to stand down.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1195631967276011521

[Filo]

Unbelievable

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-election-tynemouth-australia-diver-ed-punchard-a9205191.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

Unbelievable

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-election-tynemouth-australia-diver-ed-punchard-a9205191.html

That is beyond parody.

How little self respect must you have to take this rabble seriously?

[Filo]

And then you have this hypocrite

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-eu-elections-brian-monteith-france-northeast-farage-a8931611.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

And of course Farage himself said he'd go and live in Germany if Brexit was a disaster.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You know how the Tories insist that they are the party of law and order?



How do people keep swallowing this.

They have NOTHING to offer. They have no Big Idea of where society needs to go. They just cut and cut and cut. And when they stop cutting, they announce it like it's a great triumph.

[SydneyRover]

I suppose they close their eyes while they're swallowing 

[drfchound]

Noticeable that the fall in numbers began around 2007.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You beggar belief Hound.

Utterly determined to ignore the massive picture and spot some third order issue that blames Labour.

Look at those numbers.

There was a rise of about 8% between 1997-2007. Then a fall of about 2.5% between 2007-2010. After which the numbers were still considerably higher than at any time in the Thatcher and Major years.

THEN the Tories came to power and you can SEE the link in the graph. Numbers collapsed. Fell by 20+% over 5-6 years, to by FAR the lowest point in a generation.

And you want to point out that tiny fall from 2007...

[drfchound]

Only picking out something minor and stretching it out of proportion.
A bit like almost every post that some contributors do on every political thread on here when they get an opportunity to bash the government.
I don’t include you in that group by the way BST.
As I have said before, I have no allegiance to any political party and have voted for the two major ones in the past.

[bobjimwilly]

so do you accept the obvious fact; that Tories drastically reduced spending on the policy over the last 9 years?

[DonnyOsmond]

Only picking out something minor and stretching it out of proportion.
A bit like almost every post that some contributors do on every political thread on here when they get an opportunity to bash the government.
I don’t include you in that group by the way BST.
As I have said before, I have no allegiance to any political party and have voted for the two major ones in the past.

It's fairly easy to bash the current government. So many cuts, so many bad decisions. Look at the numbers and the majority will have gotten worse.

Here's some bashing. Two years after Grenfell and we're still having buildings covered in cladding set on fire like in Bolton. Why do we as people keep putting ourselves through these this?

[wing commander]

   One thing that's becoming apparent is the battle grounds have completely changed in this election..In past elections a large percentage were safe seats with party's knowing in advance what efforts have to be put in and where to try and get over the line,those waters have been somewhat muddied this time around..
   I live in the Brigg and Goole constituency, over the past twenty years we have had both Tory and Labour Mp's,Ian Cawsey and Andrew Percy and to be fair both worked hard for the local area rather than courting high profile jobs and the seat is normally on both party's target lists.As such we get high profile visits from both sides I bet we don't this time..Percy is 100-1 on at the bookies to win here which is unheard off.So suddenly in this election it's a safe seat...
   I think this election is going to throw up a lot of surprises with seats that have been safe for both party's suddenly having a big bearing to play which intimates that this really will be a Brexit election.Labours chances of success really do depend on their ability to change that view and steer the focal back to austerity when their manifesto is released on Thursday..
   

[BillyStubbsTears]

WingCo

B&G has been moving steadily more Tory for 20 years.

Here are the past few GE result gaps between the winning party and the 2nd (always Lab and Con)

1997 14% Lab
2001 9% Lab
2005 7% Lab
2010 11% Con
2015 26% Con
2017 27% Con


So, back in the 90s and 00s, the result more or less matched the national picture. Now it's massively Tory, even in 2017, when there was only 2% between the parties nationally.

[wing commander]

   I accept your point Billy in B&G Percy has a good reputation for fighting local issues and the fact that he's a brexiteer in a leave area helps him obviously, but I still think mine still stands.If you look at both party's top 100 target seats based on the majoritys at the last election some near the top the bookies give them no chance in and some way down the bottom are neck and neck...That's not the norm...

[Not Now Kato]

Hi Sydney, watching the match sorry. My reasons for voting leave have been made very clear in discussions with yourself and BST. NNKs question is irrelevant to my statement.

OK I'll rephrase it....  Tell me, Ldr, how has the political side of the EU affected the UK in a negative way?

[Not Now Kato]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

I'll answer it instead then Sydney. The EU leaders are unelected. That's undemocratic, and you know what us Leavers think of a lack of democracy.

It's rather clear that you don't know how the EU functions SS, nor do you understand the meaning of democracy.  So, tell me who elects any of our ministers?

[Donnywolf]

Only picking out something minor and stretching it out of proportion.
A bit like almost every post that some contributors do on every political thread on here when they get an opportunity to bash the government.
I don’t include you in that group by the way BST.
As I have said before, I have no allegiance to any political party and have voted for the two major ones in the past.

It's fairly easy to bash the current government. So many cuts, so many bad decisions. Look at the numbers and the majority will have gotten worse.

Here's some bashing. Two years after Grenfell and we're still having buildings covered in cladding set on fire like in Bolton. Why do we as people keep putting ourselves through these this?

Unfortunately there does not seem to be a real groundswell to hold them to account - and there should be.

However when you can get 42% of the popular vote and get a landslide like Mrs Thatcher did there is something fundamentally wrong

42% for me (here he goes again they are saying) should get them 42% of the Seats call it 265 as I cant be bothered to work it out. Then they would have to form a Coalition with Lib Dems / DUP / both and those should be able to hold them to account

With PR I am convinced we would never have got anywhere near B****t.

The other "problem" is it is one person one vote and unfortunately I have to respect the way each person places their own vote but IMO many many people who vote Tory should never be within a mile of them

[Glyn_Wigley]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

I'll answer it instead then Sydney. The EU leaders are unelected. That's undemocratic, and you know what us Leavers think of a lack of democracy.

It's rather clear that you don't know how the EU functions SS, nor do you understand the meaning of democracy.  So, tell me who elects any of our ministers?

I assume by that NNK means who elects any of our Ministers into the Executive, as opposed to electing them as members of the Legislature - which is a different arm of the British Constitution.

[selby]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

[Glyn_Wigley]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Cheaper houses isn't a disaster for everyone.

Brexit will make you poorer too, so according to you that's one reason we shouldn't vote for Johnson...

[Not Now Kato]

Your doing a bb Ldr, avoiding answering the question.

I'll answer it instead then Sydney. The EU leaders are unelected. That's undemocratic, and you know what us Leavers think of a lack of democracy.

It's rather clear that you don't know how the EU functions SS, nor do you understand the meaning of democracy.  So, tell me who elects any of our ministers?

I assume by that NNK means who elects any of our Ministers into the Executive, as opposed to electing them as members of the Legislature - which is a different arm of the British Constitution.

Indeed, I should have made that clearer.

[DonnyOsmond]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

So I can afford more house for my money?

[selby]

  Glyn, I am 72 years old and have never in my life voted anything else but Labour in a general election.
  Not this time though, I will be voting conservative.

[Not Now Kato]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

[DonnyOsmond]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

This. What cheaper houses will mean is more first time buyers.

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Glyn, I am 72 years old and have never in my life voted anything else but Labour in a general election.
  Not this time though, I will be voting conservative.

Why are you going to vote to make yourself poorer when you're telling others not to?

[drfchound]

  Glyn, I am 72 years old and have never in my life voted anything else but Labour in a general election.
  Not this time though, I will be voting conservative.

Why are you going to vote to make yourself poorer when you're telling others not to?

I think he is saying the opposite to that.