Different side of us today

[Campsall rover]

That performance today reminded me of many of our performances in our title winning season of 7 years ago.

That’s a very good point actually Steve.

Agreed and at the moment i am starting to think that Tom Anderson is related to Rob Jones.

What another immense performance from him again today and Joe Wright along side him.
This is our best back 4 since 2012/13 and due to the age of the 4 players will become even better.
As said it gives us the base to build a whole team as good as 2012/13.
That was a team that did not understand the word lose.

[i_ateallthepies]

If the stats show we only had 4 shots, then the strikers can hardly be toothless, if they hardly have any chances.?

You've defeated your own point, if we only had four shots on goal and the goal we scored was from a defender then yes, the strikers were toothless.

[IDM]

I disagree..

If we had lots more chances and didn’t score, then the argument would be stronger..

[Alan Southstand]

You mean, like Oxford!

[dickos1]

A good striker creates his own opportunities with his movement etc

[Campsall rover]

A good striker creates his own opportunities with his movement etc

Yes they do but they still have to get the service.
How many goals would Shearer have scored without the wonderful service he got from those wingers.
Blackburn 1994/95 Wilcox & Ripley. Just as an example.

[BillyStubbsTears]

A good striker creates his own opportunities with his movement etc

When Sharp played for us at the back end of 13/14 and was a shadow of his former self, there were loads on here saying it was the fault of Dickov for how he set the side up.

[dickos1]

A good striker creates his own opportunities with his movement etc

Yes they do but they still have to get the service.
How many goals would Shearer have scored without the wonderful service he got from those wingers.
Blackburn 1994/95 Wilcox & Ripley. Just as an example.

They do, but a lack of shots on target is more to do with a poor strike force than anything else.

As you said yourself marquis would have 15 goals already in this side, and that’s with the same creation behind him

[IDM]

If the rest of the team doesn’t create enough, the strikers will have a poor strike rate by default..

Getting lots of efforts on target involves a whole lot more than having a decent striker or two in the team..

[dickos1]

Of course
But having a proper goalscorer like marquis would mean we would score more goals.
Regardless of chances that anyone else creates

[steve@dcfd]

If the rest of the team doesn’t create enough, the strikers will have a poor strike rate by default..

Getting lots of efforts on target involves a whole lot more than having a decent striker or two in the team..

Therefore better players behind a good striker also helps so it’s not just one striker we need

[drfchound]

Of course
But having a proper goalscorer like marquis would mean we would score more goals.
Regardless of chances that anyone else creates

Correct.
Also a proper goal scorer instinctively will go into places that another player won’t.
They “know” where the ball is going to be in the penalty box.
It is built in, can’t be taught.

[Chris Black come back]

By game 21 in League One last season we had scored 34 goals, drawing a blank in 7 games.

By game 21 this season we have scored 32 goals and drawn a blank in only 4 games. 

We have not so far scored materially fewer goals than last season, when John Marquis played in 44 games of our 46 regular game season.

[dickos1]

You’re right but those 21 games last season included the 7 goals at Southend against 9 men. And surely it’s not up for debate that we require a goalscorer is it?

[IDM]

Everyone would welcome a goalscorer, but we have scraped by without one..

I don’t think the 7-1 should be discounted so easily.  At 3-1 down and with 9 men they parked the bus.

[Campsall rover]

The point is we have created considerably more chances this season as those stats show,  because a much higher % of chances were scored last season than have been this season.

Based on the ratio of chances we have created this season with Marquis & Wilks in the team it would suggest we would have scored over 50 goals already.

[Campsall rover]

Everyone would welcome a goalscorer, but we have scraped by without one..

I don’t think the 7-1 should be discounted so easily.  At 3-1 down and with 9 men they parked the bus.

A bus with holes in it. Yes why should it be discounted. If we had lost a game 7-1 would that not count regards our goals conceded for the season.
Every game counts that’s  what a season is about isn’t it. 43/44 games. Over to you EFL!!!

[dickos1]

The point is we have created considerably more chances this season as those stats show,  because a much higher % of chances were scored last season than have been this season.

Based on the ratio of chances we have created this season with Marquis & Wilks in the team it would suggest we would have scored over 50 goals already.

Exactly, so if we’d had a proper striker now we’d be much higher in the table

[dickos1]

Everyone would welcome a goalscorer, but we have scraped by without one..

I don’t think the 7-1 should be discounted so easily.  At 3-1 down and with 9 men they parked the bus.

Never said it should be discounted but it also shouldn’t be used to suggest we’ve scored enough goals this season.

[IDM]

Well if we sneak into the play offs by having a superior goal difference of course that result is important.

No one disagrees about getting better goalscorers in..

[dickos1]

Well if we sneak into the play offs by having a superior goal difference of course that result is important.

No one disagrees about getting better goalscorers in..

It was an important result
I’m just saying it’s a result that has effected the overall reliability of the  stats when comparing to last season

[idler]

The other thing is that with a higher goal scorer up front teams that have so far stifled us would have conceded and had to come at us. That could have led to a more open game and even more chances.

[SydneyRover]

Of course
But having a proper goalscorer like marquis would mean we would score more goals.
Regardless of chances that anyone else creates

Correct.
Also a proper goal scorer instinctively will go into places that another player won’t.
They “know” where the ball is going to be in the penalty box.
It is built in, can’t be taught.

I don't see why not hound every other aspect of the game is taught and learned

[dickos1]

I don’t think every other aspect is taught and learnt. Many players will be born with a natural ability for the game which of course then in turn can be nurtured and improved upon but not every child is born with the same chance of becoming a footballer

[SydneyRover]

So nurturing and improving is not training?

[IDM]

But as Dickos says, that’s on top of the players’ natural abilities..

[SydneyRover]

I never said it wasn't IDM

[dickos1]

So nurturing and improving is not training?

Yes but not everything can be taught,

[SydneyRover]

have it your way

[IDM]

It’s a combination of both..  things like formations, tactics, positions and game management can be taught but other things like natural ability, talent, and speed of thought can’t..