Sadlier

[i_ateallthepies]

Player agents are necessary to ensure the player gets the best deal they can in a contract negotiation and rightly so, they are the valuable commodity.  Unlike employment agents whose role is to find people from a pool of millions with the requisite skills to fill a job.
In football, the club has a scouting network to identify their target from a VERY small pool of candidates.  Quite honestly likening football agents to employment agents is ludicrous.  Football agents represent the player and should therefore be paid by the player.

[Jonathan]

Player agents are necessary to ensure the player gets the best deal they can in a contract negotiation and rightly so, they are the valuable commodity.  Unlike employment agents whose role is to find people from a pool of millions with the requisite skills to fill a job.
In football, the club has a scouting network to identify their target from a VERY small pool of candidates.  Quite honestly likening football agents to employment agents is ludicrous.  Football agents represent the player and should therefore be paid by the player.

It’s not entirely ludicrous. I have had employment agents represent me to find me a lucrative position. I don’t pay them for it, they are paid by the company recruiting. It’s obviously upscaled in football but it’s far from an alien concept.

[Al4475]

Campsall:

I can see where the club are going and i have the utmost respect  for the way they go about the day to day business of running the club.

Hurrah! That's two of us!

[i_ateallthepies]

So Jonathan, you put your name on an employment agent's books.  When they matched you with a job the employer paid the fee.  That's exactly how an employment agency operates.

[Jonathan]

So Jonathan, you put your name on an employment agent's books.  When they matched you with a job the employer paid the fee.  That's exactly how an employment agency operates.

Do you think I should have paid the fee?

[i_ateallthepies]

Not at all, Jonathan.  That's my point, player agents operate opposite to employment agents.

[Jonathan]

Not at all, Jonathan.  That's my point, player agents operate opposite to employment agents.

And I’ve pointed out similarities. As a valuable professional commodity I’ve used select agencies to find me the best opportunity that I don’t have the time or inclination to seek out myself. They make the arrangements on my behalf, I take the salary, the agent is paid for brokering the deal by my employer. I wouldn’t say it’s the opposite.

[i_ateallthepies]

I would.  Why?  In football the prospective employees are out there in full view of those interested in employing them, why do you think Darren Moore has his 'A List' and his 'B List'?  In the big wide world of employment for the masses (and I do include valuable professional commodities in that) the employee either puts himself in front of the prospective employer by speculative enquiries, applying for an advertised position or signing up with an employment agency.

[Jonathan]

I would.  Why?  In football the prospective employees are out there in full view of those interested in employing them, why do you think Darren Moore has his 'A List' and his 'B List'?  In the big wide world of employment for the masses (and I do include valuable professional commodities in that) the employee either puts himself in front of the prospective employer by speculative enquiries, applying for an advertised position or signing up with an employment agency.

Or gets headhunted by a company that has its plan A and plan B list.

[i_ateallthepies]

You put yourself in front of the agent.  Headhunting is something different.

[Jonathan]

Many times employment agencies contact people (and I include myself in this) to see if they’re still happy in their current role or whether they may wish to look for a more lucrative offer elsewhere.

By the way I think we should give this up now and accept there are some differences and some similarities. I don’t see why clubs shouldn’t pay the agent.

[NewDonny]

Many times employment agencies contact people (and I include myself in this) to see if they’re still happy in their current role or whether they may wish to look for a more lucrative offer elsewhere.

By the way I think we should give this up now and accept there are some differences and some similarities. I don’t see why clubs shouldn’t pay the agent.

[/b]

They pay agents for all sorts of different services, which was my point earlier in the thread.

[bpoolrover]

Blackpool didn’t pay agents for quite a while or very little, the problem was the manager said he had a list of targets and by the time he managed to get anyone he was on his 5th list

[Colin C No.3]

Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!

Brilliant post Cbrover24  Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.

Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.

No idea indeed.

[no eyed deer]

Now don’t get me wrong, I like Sadler, and think he is a good player, however if he does not sign the contract we have given him, is it such a bad thing?? Throughout the years, teams have to evolve and move on and hopefully get better players than what they had! But if we can improve it with a better player, than so be it! Now I now what people will say, can’t make a signing, no one wants to come here etc.... but don’t forget this is a small transfer window when 95% of the decent players we are after/want are playing first team football with someone else!! Summer signings are when the real business is done, quality players than mean business that can show what we’re about!! Think about it, last season we were f**ked over by McCann who left us in a position no one could of imagined, Moore has come in, took his time to look at the squad and brought in that has competed at this level pretty well!! I think the problem is, last season we were a very entertaining team to watch, at one point we were the top scorers in the whole football league bar Liverpool and Man City, but we also conceded quite a few too!! If we had this seasons back 5, in last seasons squad we would of pissed the league and run away with it like Liverpool are doing this season, but that’s in hindsight, however, what happens this season I’m pretty confident we will be in a much better position come this time next season than this!!

Brilliant post Cbrover24  Nail on the head with that post. Pleased you can see what i can see.
Just a pity some of our supporters can’t see the reality of what you have posted and are going into meltdown on our recruitment.

Campsall, I’m glad your a few levels above most of the Rovers fans when it comes to intelligence.

No idea indeed.

Colin C with the IQ of 3

[Metalmicky]

Sadlier is out of the Sunderland fixture....

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/fitness-update-kieran-sadlier-heading-doncaster-rovers-trip-sunderland-1372684