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Trade talks, a prediction: (courtesy of @RussInCheshire) UK - We don't like our deal EU - Why not? UK - We only get 95% of what we want EU - It only gives us 95% too UK - We want a new deal that gives us 100% of what we want EU - But that means we only get 90% of what we want UK - Yes, but we don't care. We hate you. EU - Bit rude UK - We elected people to go to your meetings specifically to say we hate you EU - We noticed UK - So we want a new deal, and we want the deal in 11 months or we cancel our existing deal EU - Wait.. what? UK - We've put it into law: you give us 100% of what we want in 11 months, or we walk away with 0% of what we want EU - Erm... suits us! UK - Wait, what? EU - Perfect, do it. Walk away UK - No, hold on, wait: you have to negotiate, so Boris can win EU - Why? Right now you have 95% of perfect and we have 95% of perfect. If we negotiate, you get 100% and we get 90%. UK - That's right EU - But if we don't negotiate, we still have 95%... and you have 0% UK - But... no, you're not meant to say that EU - And if we don't have a deal, we don't have to put up with you sending people to our meetings to say you hate us UK - The Daily Mail made us do it and then ran away! EU - So we'll just sit it out for 11 months UK - Fine, we'll go and make a great deal with the US US - Yo suckers UK - Could we have a trade deal please, sir? US - Sure thing. We want 100% of everything, plus 51% controlling share in the NHS, and you get, let's see... 60% of what you have now UK - Not good enough US - Bye UK - What? US - Bye. Talks are over. Bye UK - But we haven't got a deal! US - We are 26% of world trade, making deals with EU (20%) and China (17%). We don't need your 1.8%. UK - But we really need a deal, the EU outsmarted us US - We know. Some of us can read. Not Trump, obviously, but the rest of us. Try India UK - Hi India, remember us? India - Oh f**k, these guys again UK - We want a trade deal India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist India - That is brand new information!! UK - So can we have a deal? India - Sure. Join the queue UK - Who's in the queue? India - USA, China, Brazil, EU, Korea, Canada, Australia... basically everybody. We're kind of a big deal now. UK - So you'll be ready to negotiate in, what: 11 months? India - ha ha ha ha ha UK - What did we say? India - 11 months? Try 11 years. This shit takes ages, bro UK - But we had a timetable of 11 months with the EU India - And how did that work out? UK - erm... India - Try China UK - Can we please have a trade deal? China - Sorry, who are you? UK - We're Great Britain China - Great, you say? UK - Well... once China - And what do you want? UK - A trade deal worthy of our status China - You've got one UK - No we haven't China - Yes you have. With the EU. You don't need to renegotiate your trade deals: you need to reassess your status. Cos you're not a mighty nation, you're a small, wet, heavily indebted island on the edge of a globally important trading bloc... which you left, you goons UK - So, what do you suggest? China - You already know ... EU - Hello again. Here to rejoin? UK - Yes, on the same terms as before. EU - Oh, I don't think so. Say goodbye to your rebate, hello to the Euro, and bonjour to the Schengen area. You are so dumb. UK - We hate you!
HA.1) Of COURSE the EU is going to require us to play by their rules. If we want a deal from them. That's blindingly obvious and always was.If we don't want a deal with them,we are free to do just whatever we want. Explain to me where the hypocrisy is in that.Secondly. My point was that by enabling Brexit, you are responsible for elevating Johnson to No10. That's all it was ever about. You just helped pave the way for him.Thirdly. You might want to consider your earlier post in the light of those numbers of cases I posted. And then question whether your criticism of the EU's dealing with state aid cases is justified.
You’re both missing the point. Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave. Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on February 27, 2020, 08:29:59 pmYou’re both missing the point. Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave. Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you. What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA? You're clearly seeing things that aren't there! But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though! As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant.... Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time. It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on February 28, 2020, 09:13:20 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on February 27, 2020, 08:29:59 pmYou’re both missing the point. Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave. Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you. What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA? You're clearly seeing things that aren't there! But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though! As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant.... Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time. It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.NNKQuote from your post: UK - We want a trade deal India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist India - That is brand new information!!Does this mean the UK is racist? Leaver voters are racist? Our Government is racist? Or none of the above? I didn’t realise that I needed to be critical of the ‘racist leave campaign’. I hoped, and assumed, you’d take it as read that I didn’t agree with any of that nonsense. Being a leave voter, having the racist card thrown at you does come with the territory unfortunately. However, just for you NNK, here goes: “As a former member of both the anti nazi league and Rock against racism, and as someone who has attended many anti racism demo’s in the past, including counter demo’s against the NF, I wholeheartedly oppose and disagree with any racist views, thoughts, actions and opinions, both inside and outside of the Brexit ‘debate’. Ok?
I really admire the solidarity and commitment most posting on here have to free movement and the European dream of one state, so much so I was wondering if any of you have considered having a couple of months off and showing real commitment and travelling to northern Italy and helping out with the situation there.
HA.I for one do not for a moment think you are racist.What I DO think is that those on the Left who voted for Brexit were naive at the very best. I think you have unquestionably, if accidentally enabled and empowered racists. And I find that frustrating, because it was entirely predictable and predicted.
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on February 28, 2020, 09:50:52 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on February 28, 2020, 09:13:20 amQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on February 27, 2020, 08:29:59 pmYou’re both missing the point. Firstly, I raised it to add a bit of equilibrium to a one sided thread Secondly, as a little dig back at the ‘racist’ insinuation in the post by NNK. That claim is now almost as boring as it is offensive Thirdly, to highlight the hypocrisy within the EU and their insistence that we adhere to their regulations after we leave. Oh, and Billy, you’re way off the mark again. The Great British public in their wisdom put paid to my desire for a ‘socialist utopia’ not the EU. Hopefully that’s one of the misunderstandings on the road to hell thats cleared up for you. What on earth is even remotely 'racist' in what I posted HA? You're clearly seeing things that aren't there! But much of the 'leave campaign' was openly racist - I don't remember you being critical about that though! As a reminder to those who voted leave on that basis, let me give you Schrödinger's Immigrant.... Schrödinger's Immigrant. The one who is both stealing your job and claiming benefits for not having a job. All at the same time. It's people voting on that basis you should be really worried about.NNKQuote from your post: UK - We want a trade deal India - And we want to vastly increase the number of Indians who can live in the UK UK - We can't do that. Turns out we're, like, properly racist India - That is brand new information!!Does this mean the UK is racist? Leaver voters are racist? Our Government is racist? Or none of the above? I didn’t realise that I needed to be critical of the ‘racist leave campaign’. I hoped, and assumed, you’d take it as read that I didn’t agree with any of that nonsense. Being a leave voter, having the racist card thrown at you does come with the territory unfortunately. However, just for you NNK, here goes: “As a former member of both the anti nazi league and Rock against racism, and as someone who has attended many anti racism demo’s in the past, including counter demo’s against the NF, I wholeheartedly oppose and disagree with any racist views, thoughts, actions and opinions, both inside and outside of the Brexit ‘debate’. Ok? We already know that many leave voters made their decision based on the racist propaganda of the leave campaigns - that's a given. I personally know an awful lot of people who voted that way for that reason, heck I know one guy who won't watch BBC Breakfast TV if Naga Munchetti is on "because she's black"! It's also clear that a number of members of our government is openly racist - again, you just have to look at the comments of people like Johnson when he talks about 'letterbox people', 'flag-waving piccaninnies', people with 'watermelon smiles', 'hook nosed Arabs' and mocking the Chinese in a Spectator article ‘Prease, sir,’ said the BA girl. ‘Prease come with me. I have found a better seat for you in row 52.’ So yes, I believe a large number of people in this country are indeed racist to some degree and that degree varies from person to person. I take on board your previous stance on Nazism, the NF and Anti Racism and your current stance on racism, and from that I hope that you can now see that there is nothing in my earlier posting that is even remotely racist, merely a suggestion that many people in the UK are; and that that should be a worry for us all.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 28, 2020, 10:24:40 amHA.I for one do not for a moment think you are racist.What I DO think is that those on the Left who voted for Brexit were naive at the very best. I think you have unquestionably, if accidentally enabled and empowered racists. And I find that frustrating, because it was entirely predictable and predicted.Billy I agree that some racists have latched on to Brexit. However, that doesn’t meant that I shouldn’t commit to my democratic right to voting for the UK to leave the EU. Racists are more empowered by the result of the last election than by Brexit. If Labour had won the last election then we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.,