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[redarmy82]

Where I live the street was full of visitors, parked cars everywhere, people visiting families.

They didn't give a toss.

My next door neighbours are currently having a bbq with at least a dozen people round.

Ive notified the police online, but speaking to other people in my village, they wouldn't attend those breaking lockdown yesterday as there were too many reports of it.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB.

One of THEM days again is it?

I'm used to it now, mate. I don't know how you can live having someone like Iberian Red on your side, to be honest.

[Not Now Kato]

I thinks its time to let the idiots out.

Sadly, I fear they are already out.  Thus the real question should be 'who let them out?'

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

I've no idea what you mean by "side" but you do seem to have a fixation with that theme.

For the record, I don't like IR's approach. I find it unpleasant and distespectful and I certainly don't encourage it.

But I understand where it comes from. There's a hell of a lot of refusal to engage with issues but instead chuck out and hominems in here. Or bait and wind up people. And IR certainly didn't start that. 

I've always had the principle that you should reflect on your own behaviour before criticising others. Then we might have a more civil set of interactions.

[Nudga]

Where I live the street was full of visitors, parked cars everywhere, people visiting families.

They didn't give a toss.

My next door neighbours are currently having a bbq with at least a dozen people round.

Ive notified the police online, but speaking to other people in my village, they wouldn't attend those breaking lockdown yesterday as there were too many reports of it.

The neighbourhood stasi.

[DN8ROVER]

The w**kers that live next door to me had a garden full again, for the third time in four weekends.

[BillyStubbsTears]

They certainly don't f**k about in Singapore when it comes to getting folk to behave like responsible adults

https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1258797162684653568

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, by "side" I mean those who answer your posts for you in an unpleasant and disrespectful way, like Iberian Red. When does he engage with issues instead of chucking out disrespectful unpleasantries? How on earth can he complain?

I suggest you have a rethink, or maybe a look back on the posts from this forum over the last 4 years or so to find the real culprits. You might also realise the number of people with an opposite opinion to you and your "side" who have buggered off over that period. It seems those of us still left who oppose your views have a stronger resolve than them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Where I live the street was full of visitors, parked cars everywhere, people visiting families.

They didn't give a toss.

My next door neighbours are currently having a bbq with at least a dozen people round.

Ive notified the police online, but speaking to other people in my village, they wouldn't attend those breaking lockdown yesterday as there were too many reports of it.

The neighbourhood stasi.

I'd say ARP Warden is a better analogy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

I've given you my two pennorth on IR.

Does it dawn on you what your role has been in making the atmosphere toxic in here over the past 4 years?

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

I've given you my two pennorth on IR.

Does it dawn on you what your role has been in making the atmosphere toxic in here over the past 4 years?

If you're suggesting I've responded to personal offensive posts in likewise fashion you are probably on the whole correct, but if you think I've made it toxic by doing so I'd say you're being a bit one-sided, as usual. However, I think the real truth is you don't like anyone who prevents you from wallowing in the luxury of unopposed opinion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No.
I'm saying your insistence fit years about arguing about arguing.

Your last sentence says it all. You assume that's what it is all about. You assume that people are acting from bad motives.

Me, I'm interested, always in exchanging views. I enjoy being provoked to examine my opinions by people who are informed and think about issues. You don't do that. You bait people ABOUT having opinions. And then you get arsey when people chip back.

Join in and discuss the content, why don't you?

[wilts rover]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, I have exchanged views, and I, like everyone else who takes my side, have had to do it based on personal experience, simply because there aren't examples of our opinions in the media outlets that you and your side deem acceptable. I could quite easily produce link after link, Sydney style, to make my argument for me if that was accepted!

You know my opinion of the referendum, for instance. I told you often enough. I told you my main argument was indeed about how the argument was conducted, both before and after the result, and I still stand by that.

I have the exact same view over the way the arguments have been conducted both prior and after the general election. The hatred being shown in politics these days is a real threat to democracy, in my opinion, and probably one of the most neglected subjects in terms of importance.

[drfchound]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

Wilts, it is a shame that someone didn’t come along and drop some of those big concrete blocks into the gateway to force those d**kheads (that I mentioned earlier in the thread) to have to either stay there with their cars or walk home.

[Bentley Bullet]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

There are threads on the football forum asking posters who their favourite Rovers' players are. I dare say no one will have the same opinion overall and will argue the point to some extent. But, they're all Rovers fans, so the 'arguments' are friendly arguments, so to speak.

Now, if the poll was open to Rotherham fans, and the question was "who had the best players?" I dare say the arguments would become somewhat more heated.

Do you see where I'm coming from Wilts? The analogy is, I suppose, You and BST don't argue like one of you being a Miller and the other a Rover. You are more like a couple of Millers.

[wilts rover]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

Wilts, it is a shame that someone didn’t come along and drop some of those big concrete blocks into the gateway to force those d**kheads (that I mentioned earlier in the thread) to have to either stay there with their cars or walk home.

There's a lot about hound - everywhere it seems not just by you

[wilts rover]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

There are threads on the football forum asking posters who their favourite players are. I dare say no one will have the same opinion overall and will argue the point to some extent. But, they're all Rovers fans, so the 'arguments' are friendly arguments, so to speak.

Now, if the poll was open to Rotherham fans, and the question was "who had the best players?" I dare say the arguments would become somewhat more heated.

Do you see where I'm coming from Wilts? The analogy is, I suppose, You and BST don't argue like one of you being a Miller and the other a Rover. You are more like a couple of Millers.

You clearly haven't read the posts BB. Which is probably very wise as they are boring as ....

I hope no-one is agreeing with me on alias's favourite player threads - all bar one player I have voted for has been knocked out so far!

[IDM]

So what are the police doing about it.?

I’m not suggesting they go in all heavy handed and arrest everyone, but something like taking each car registration number and writing to each owner with a formal warning.?

In get that people want to go out, and to socialise, and that some people exercise their free will to break the rules.  But it will be those people whose selfishness results in longer or repeated lockdowns.

[Bentley Bullet]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

There are threads on the football forum asking posters who their favourite players are. I dare say no one will have the same opinion overall and will argue the point to some extent. But, they're all Rovers fans, so the 'arguments' are friendly arguments, so to speak.

Now, if the poll was open to Rotherham fans, and the question was "who had the best players?" I dare say the arguments would become somewhat more heated.

Do you see where I'm coming from Wilts? The analogy is, I suppose, You and BST don't argue like one of you being a Miller and the other a Rover. You are more like a couple of Millers.

You clearly haven't read the posts BB. Which is probably very wise as they are boring as ....

I hope no-one is agreeing with me on alias's favourite player threads - all bar one player I have voted for has been knocked out so far!

Same here. No one listens to the voice of reason any more!

[wilts rover]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

There are threads on the football forum asking posters who their favourite players are. I dare say no one will have the same opinion overall and will argue the point to some extent. But, they're all Rovers fans, so the 'arguments' are friendly arguments, so to speak.

Now, if the poll was open to Rotherham fans, and the question was "who had the best players?" I dare say the arguments would become somewhat more heated.

Do you see where I'm coming from Wilts? The analogy is, I suppose, You and BST don't argue like one of you being a Miller and the other a Rover. You are more like a couple of Millers.

You clearly haven't read the posts BB. Which is probably very wise as they are boring as ....

I hope no-one is agreeing with me on alias's favourite player threads - all bar one player I have voted for has been knocked out so far!

Same here. No one listens to the voice of reason any more!

You need to give your crystal ball a polish...

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

I've given you arguments for years as to why equating The Mail and The Guardian. I've given you an example from my direct, personal experience big where I KNOW that The Mail willfully and deliberately misled their readers about matters of objective truth. If you have evidence of The Guardian doing the same, feel free to share it.

But I won't hold my breath because I've been asking you for years and all you do is revert to "both sides do it" mode.

I'll give you my piece. I DO think there are two sides and I think there is a struggle going on for the soul of the future. On one side, there are people who believe in the importance of objective truth, weeding out lies and liars and making judgements based on rational assessment of facts.

On the other side, there are people who think that everyone lies to them and just accept that without differentiation, who place gut instinct and particular personal experience over rational assessment of established facts,  and who don't hold people to account for their failings, as long as it's one of "their" people.

I know which side I try and want to be on.

[DonnyOsmond]

BB.
That's because either
1) you've made it up,because you woke up in an argumentative mood.
Or,
2) your little circle of reader friends are thick as f@#k.

Yeah, thick enough to get political predictions right all the time.

What predictions?

[drfchound]

So what are the police doing about it.?

I’m not suggesting they go in all heavy handed and arrest everyone, but something like taking each car registration number and writing to each owner with a formal warning.?

In get that people want to go out, and to socialise, and that some people exercise their free will to break the rules.  But it will be those people whose selfishness results in longer or repeated lockdowns.

I also want to go out and socialise IDM but am not being a dick about it and putting others at risk by doing so.
Those type of people make me sick but irrespective of what the government or the media do or say, they think they are above the law.
A bit like those knobs at football matches who sing “we’re (insert club name), we do what we want”.

As for the police, I have said previously that they are understaffed to start with and they too have officers off work with suspected CV19.
They can’t be everywhere I’m afraid.

[redarmy82]

Where I live the street was full of visitors, parked cars everywhere, people visiting families.

They didn't give a toss.

My next door neighbours are currently having a bbq with at least a dozen people round.

Ive notified the police online, but speaking to other people in my village, they wouldn't attend those breaking lockdown yesterday as there were too many reports of it.

The neighbourhood stasi.

Whatever.

Maybe people shouldn't take the piss. Someone of those flouting the rules will be responsible for someone dying.

[Bentley Bullet]

Just for clarity can someone please confirm if I am on BST's side or not? Seeing as how we are arguing on another thread like?

And just to put my t'pworth into the mix been out on the bike up past a local beauty spot today. Car park has been coned and roped off for weeks - somebody has pushed them to one side and there were about 30 cars in it.

There are threads on the football forum asking posters who their favourite players are. I dare say no one will have the same opinion overall and will argue the point to some extent. But, they're all Rovers fans, so the 'arguments' are friendly arguments, so to speak.

Now, if the poll was open to Rotherham fans, and the question was "who had the best players?" I dare say the arguments would become somewhat more heated.

Do you see where I'm coming from Wilts? The analogy is, I suppose, You and BST don't argue like one of you being a Miller and the other a Rover. You are more like a couple of Millers.

You clearly haven't read the posts BB. Which is probably very wise as they are boring as ....

I hope no-one is agreeing with me on alias's favourite player threads - all bar one player I have voted for has been knocked out so far!

Same here. No one listens to the voice of reason any more!

You need to give your crystal ball a polish...

You need more than a crystal ball for some of our fans. Take the thread about Rovers best cult figure. All that was needed to find the answer was to ask yourself who was greatly admired as a player, not necessarily by everyone, but by those with a trained eye, had a heart of a lion, and was influential by his sheer presence.

 All the evidence required was there..........And poor old Alfie May was omitted!

[Bentley Bullet]

BB

I've given you arguments for years as to why equating The Mail and The Guardian. I've given you an example from my direct, personal experience big where I KNOW that The Mail willfully and deliberately misled their readers about matters of objective truth. If you have evidence of The Guardian doing the same, feel free to share it.

But I won't hold my breath because I've been asking you for years and all you do is revert to "both sides do it" mode.

I'll give you my piece. I DO think there are two sides and I think there is a struggle going on for the soul of the future. On one side, there are people who believe in the importance of objective truth, weeding out lies and liars and making judgements based on rational assessment of facts.

On the other side, there are people who think that everyone lies to them and just accept that without differentiation, who place gut instinct and particular personal experience over rational assessment of established facts,  and who don't hold people to account for their failings, as long as it's one of "their" people.

I know which side I try and want to be on.

I've told you my opinion of the Guardian. I never said it lied, I said it sometimes gave one side of the story, which often twists the truth. Regarding the mail and your story, did you complain to them, and did they respond? I dare say every paper has had to apologise occasionally over the years for misrepresentation.

Regarding the lies, can you honestly say that you search for lying politicians from ALL parties with equal determination to find a guilty party? And in doing so, do you read news outlets of all political persuasions so as not to form a biased list of liars?

[scawsby steve]

BB.
That's because either
1) you've made it up,because you woke up in an argumentative mood.
Or,
2) your little circle of reader friends are thick as f@#k.

Yeah, thick enough to get political predictions right all the time.

What predictions?

Have you been in a coma for the last 2 years, or do you just read the posts you agree with? I consistently warned that the Labour Party's continuous blocking of Brexit, and insistence of a second referendum, would result in a day of reckoning.

I also predicted Brexit and Trump in 2016, but I wasn't posting here then, so you'll have to take my word for it. I don't really give a f*ck whether you do or not.

Also, as a graduate, I take exception to anyone on here accusing me of being thick.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

I've given you arguments for years as to why equating The Mail and The Guardian. I've given you an example from my direct, personal experience big where I KNOW that The Mail willfully and deliberately misled their readers about matters of objective truth. If you have evidence of The Guardian doing the same, feel free to share it.

But I won't hold my breath because I've been asking you for years and all you do is revert to "both sides do it" mode.

I'll give you my piece. I DO think there are two sides and I think there is a struggle going on for the soul of the future. On one side, there are people who believe in the importance of objective truth, weeding out lies and liars and making judgements based on rational assessment of facts.

On the other side, there are people who think that everyone lies to them and just accept that without differentiation, who place gut instinct and particular personal experience over rational assessment of established facts,  and who don't hold people to account for their failings, as long as it's one of "their" people.

I know which side I try and want to be on.

I've told you my opinion of the Guardian. I never said it lied, I said it sometimes gave one side of the story, which often twists the truth. Regarding the mail and your story, did you complain to them, and did they respond? I dare say every paper has had to apologise occasionally over the years for misrepresentation.

Regarding the lies, can you honestly say that you search for lying politicians from ALL parties with equal determination to find a guilty party? And in doing so, do you read news outlets of all political persuasions so as not to form a biased list of liars?

I wrote the The Mail. I never received a reply.

As for your other questions, yes and yes. I despise lying and deception from anyone, whatever their political persuasion.

Have you had your head in the sand for the past 5 years when I've been criticising Corbyn's lack of honesty over his foreign policy positions?

However, I'd say that the preponderance by far of politicians blatantly and barefacedly lying or deceiving in such a way as to amount to lying, over matters of verifiable objective truth are from the Right in recent years. And that's why so many of the examples I discuss come from the Right. Instead of chelping about that being bias, you could find equally egregious ones from the Left that I'm missing. Instead, you decide to argue semantic points, such as saying that press photographers don't constitute "the Press" and saying that the £350m claim was fair and honest and not intended to deceive the ill-informed, because the top line of our contribution was £350m.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, don't you think Tory lies are more pronounced in recent years because they've been in power in recent years?

Regarding me searching for lies from the left, why should I? I'd be as bad as you for biasedness if I did that. I just think it's a pretty poor situation if you've constantly got to show support for your party by finding fault with the opposition. Anyone would think you've had nowt good to say about your own party.

And......There you go again! I assume you're on about the hospital when Boris said the press wasn't in attendance when the press photographers were, and he was referring to there being no press interview during the visit? So there was a misunderstanding? Don't you think that having to go on and on and on about the same old stories like that, and the £350 million NHS comment, makes you sound so, so desperate? I do.