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wilts rover

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Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« on June 04, 2020, 06:17:49 pm by wilts rover »
20th December 2017 - Environment Secretary Michael Gove vows UK will block a post-Brexit trade deal with the US if it included the sale of chlorine-washed chickens.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/20/gove-uk-would-not-compromise-with-us-on-food-standards

31st October 2018 - Environment Secretary Michael Gove commits to no lowering of food standards after Brexit

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/oct18_efra_food_poisoning_ag_bill/

19th February 2019 - Environment Secretary, Michael Gove pledges that British food standards will not be lowered “in pursuit of trade deals”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/michael-gove-vows-to-uphold-food-standards-after-brexit

20th February 2020 - Defra Secretary George Eustice maintained that the government would not relax standards on food imports to secure trade deals with the US

https://www.farminguk.com/news/eustice-faces-barrage-of-questions-over-brexit-food-standards_55078.html

4th June 2020 - Government ready to open British markets to chlorinated chicken for US trade deal

https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1268522469285081088
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html

Rates of food poisoning in the US are 10x that in the UK btw

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb18_US_foodpoisoning/



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bpoolrover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #2 on June 04, 2020, 06:33:04 pm by bpoolrover »
I would not fancy it to be fair lol

foxbat

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #3 on June 04, 2020, 06:59:54 pm by foxbat »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #4 on June 04, 2020, 07:21:14 pm by DonnyOsmond »
More benefits of Brexit!

Not Now Kato

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #5 on June 04, 2020, 07:26:25 pm by Not Now Kato »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.

But but but, weren't we leaving to take back control?  You know, to stop those damn foriners telling us what to do?  Next thing you know the US courts will have the final say in any dispute!
 
Thanks for nothing Brexiters  :turd:

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #6 on June 04, 2020, 07:47:03 pm by DonnyOsmond »
They created H1N1 because of their "standards". Genuinely can't understand why someone want us to be closer to US than the EU.

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #7 on June 04, 2020, 08:31:02 pm by Donnywolf »
OMG - what next ?

Worringly Gove is probably lying anyway

bpoolrover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #8 on June 04, 2020, 09:01:09 pm by bpoolrover »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.
you could just have labels that just say British chickens for example thou? Would they not be safe?

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #9 on June 04, 2020, 09:32:46 pm by DonnyOsmond »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.
you could just have labels that just say British chickens for example thou? Would they not be safe?

You can't usually specify when you order from a takeaway thou?

bpoolrover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #10 on June 04, 2020, 09:36:59 pm by bpoolrover »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.
you could just have labels that just say British chickens for example thou? Would they not be safe?

You can't usually specify when you order from a takeaway thou?
no that is true

SydneyRover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #11 on June 04, 2020, 11:06:24 pm by SydneyRover »
And who is to say british farmers won't lower their standards to compete, that is the name of the game lowering standards for more profit, removing workers rights for less pay that is what leaving the EU is all about.

Donnywolf

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #12 on June 05, 2020, 07:29:06 am by Donnywolf »
as looks like the UK has caved in to letting the crafty b@stards not be required to show a country of origin label on this muck , only safe way is no chicken whatsover for me. 

That is until I am on holiday in an EU country with proper food standards.
you could just have labels that just say British chickens for example thou? Would they not be safe?

Great idea - but with humans involved all trying to capitalise would you believe the Label anyway as there have been so many cases of Best Before dates being altered for one and who remembers the Minced Beef that contained Horse meat

Not for me !

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Can anyone point me in direction of the science on this, preferably without politics?

Ldr

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #14 on June 05, 2020, 09:13:06 am by Ldr »

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #15 on June 05, 2020, 01:15:57 pm by River Don »
Personally I don't have a problem with chlorinated chicken being sold in the UK. It is relatively safe chicken.

However, it doesn't meet the quality standards of EU chicken, which is the product I would prefer to pay a little more to eat.

So the key for me is labelling. If the country of origin is printed on the packaging, or there is a label that states it meets EU standards then fine.

However, I suspect any trade agreement will specifically state such labelling is not required. I think it's wrong to hide such information from the consumer.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2020, 01:18:18 pm by River Don »

Donnywolf

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #16 on June 05, 2020, 03:14:33 pm by Donnywolf »
.... the chickens are probably lucky

.... US Pork farmers are insisting that Ractopmine fed Pork MUST form part of the US/UK Trade deal despite Ractopamine is banned in the UK , EU Russia China a FURTHER 100 Countries around the world

This is part of the reason (and remember Liar Johnson was promising increased welfare for animals before the Election . OOPS he won so forget all those loose wishy washes LIES

and ractopamine pork – pigs fed with a growth hormone (animal lovers look away for this next bit) that turns them into “downers”, still sentient but too weak to walk to the slaughterhouse, so they have to be dragged. They are often cruelly mishandled on the way, basically treated like carcasses before they have died. “Harmonising” standards (the language is all so emollient) with the US would also mean legalising hundreds of pesticides.


The lousy LYING heartless 2 faced ****ing scumbag

Iberian Red

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #17 on June 05, 2020, 03:16:22 pm by Iberian Red »
Dont worry. If it came from KFC,its English

wilts rover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #18 on June 05, 2020, 03:56:55 pm by wilts rover »
I think people have misunderstood the nature of my OP - and this whole issue.

What I see from this - and a guide to the way forward - is not just the Johnson Government saying one thing in public and doing another but also that they as the Brexit Campaign and ministers in the run up to the last GE have said one thing and done another.

It probably also gives a guide to the future in that the Johnson Government has caved in completely to American trade demands. If we want something - we do as they say. Get used to it.

10 January 2020 - Environment secretary Theresa Villiers: "We will not be importing chlorinated-chicken. We will not be importing hormone-treated beef'

30 January 2020 - US secretary of state Mike Pompeo on LBC radio made clear that if the UK wanted a trade deal, it would need to open its food cupboards to US producers.

23 February 2020 - What happened next suggests the message was heard loud and clear in London. Asked about the pledge to keep the food standards less than a month after Pompeo's intervention, the new environment secretary George Eustice refused to guarantee the ban

5 May 2020 -  This is when trade talks with the US formally opened. On this day Chuck Grassley, the Republican senator from the farming state of Iowa who chairs the US senate - elaborated further. Getting banned US food on British plates wasn't just part of the deal... as far as he was concerned, it was the deal.

4 June 2020 - Government ready to open British markets to chlorinated chicken for US trade deal

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-chlorinated-chicken-trump-us-trade-a9549876.html

And clearly now why would British farmers keep chickens to EU standards. They wont be able to sell them in the EU.

In fact why would they keep them at all? What is to stop them being taken over and closed down by US Agri Business so they don't compete with their farmers?

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #19 on June 05, 2020, 04:16:16 pm by idler »
Well we need to refuse to buy their crap.
I would rather buy from farm shops or become a veggie than line greedy Us firm's pockets.

Donnywolf

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #20 on June 06, 2020, 06:00:23 am by Donnywolf »
Dont worry. If it came from KFC,its English

See Reply #12 above and tell me if you can guarantee your statement

DonnyOsmond

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #21 on June 06, 2020, 11:03:19 am by DonnyOsmond »
The problem with a small country like the UK trading with massive trading countries like the US and when it comes to it China and India we don't have as much to offer and we need them so we will get bullied in to accepting what they tell us to have. Like when Samoa got a trade deal with the US and ended up with turkey tails, a fatty gland which no one in the US would eat. When NAFTA happened Mexico started getting everything filled with corn syrup and obesity sky rocketed. The EU's size allowed us to be one of those big trading nations that could tell the likes of the US what we wanted without being pushed around but unfortunately not anymore.

We've already changed story on chlorinated chickens, who knows what next? The NHS?

Donnywolf

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #22 on June 06, 2020, 11:09:26 am by Donnywolf »
The NHS will be in the Trade deal with the US as Trump was demanding it

It would be difficult to "get through" now as people are watching it with pride - but time and stealth will lead to some form of commercialisation

Im almost 70 and maybe not in my lifetime but who on here would state that they will NEVER be paying Medical Insurance like the US citizens do ?

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #23 on June 06, 2020, 11:18:07 am by SydneyRover »
The problem with a small country like the UK trading with massive trading countries like the US and when it comes to it China and India we don't have as much to offer and we need them so we will get bullied in to accepting what they tell us to have. Like when Samoa got a trade deal with the US and ended up with turkey tails, a fatty gland which no one in the US would eat. When NAFTA happened Mexico started getting everything filled with corn syrup and obesity sky rocketed. The EU's size allowed us to be one of those big trading nations that could tell the likes of the US what we wanted without being pushed around but unfortunately not anymore.

We've already changed story on chlorinated chickens, who knows what next? The NHS?

DO, what if we could get together with around 30 other countries or so to form a trading bloc where we could trade between each other without tariffs and use the combined muscle to get better deals with those bigger countries like the US & India etc ........... if only we had a government that had business connections that could drive this idea ....................  :)

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #24 on June 06, 2020, 02:27:02 pm by drfchound »
Why are we bothered about what Australia does.

wilts rover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #25 on June 06, 2020, 02:31:30 pm by wilts rover »
Why are we bothered about what Australia does.

I think you will find that our government has been pushing the idea of an 'Australian style' deal with the EU.

Be useful to know what that is I would have thought?

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #26 on June 06, 2020, 10:50:40 pm by SydneyRover »
Why are we bothered about what Australia does.

You don't have to be, keep on being a little britisher hound hollding your grudges chasing people arounf the forum  :)

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #27 on June 06, 2020, 11:04:08 pm by drfchound »
I have no grudges but I wondered why you kept on saying “we” when you clearly are not in the uk.

Oh, and you are quite insignificant to me so why would I follow you round the forum.
This isn’t Twitter you know.

SydneyRover

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #28 on June 06, 2020, 11:36:15 pm by SydneyRover »
You'd better apprise forum members of your new rules including how far they are allowed to live from the ground, how long they allowed are to be absent and presumably what they are allowed to say hound woof woof  :suicide:
« Last Edit: June 06, 2020, 11:40:18 pm by SydneyRover »

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Re: Ain't nobody here but us (chlorinated) chickens...
« Reply #29 on June 07, 2020, 12:34:41 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Why are we bothered about what Australia does.

I think you will find that our government has been pushing the idea of an 'Australian style' deal with the EU.

Be useful to know what that is I would have thought?

That is one of the more morally bankrupt soundbites of this Govt (and f**k me, but it has some competition...)

And Australia Deal means No Deal Whatsoever. And yes, this Govt HAS said that one of our acceptable outcomes is an Australia Deal.

 

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