Priti Patel

[Ldr]

Its a disgusting situation, she should have been sacked immediately

[BillyStubbsTears]

What I don't get is what Johnson sees as a benefit in acting like this.

Patel should never have been allowed anywhere close to a senior Cabinet position after she broke every rule in the book by effectively conducting her own foreign policy discussions with the Israeli Govt. Then, within months of getting the Home Secretary post, she clearly acts in a way which, in normal times, would require her sacking.

She's a loose cannon. It is farcical to think that she's not going to carry on acting like this. She WILL have to be sacked sooner or later. So, as with Cummings, Johnson puts a lot of skin in the game to support a colleague, then loses eventually anyway. Just like he's done 8 or 10 times already with U-turns.

I wonder why he doesn't see it.

[EasyforDennis]

Because that act of being a jolly bumbling idiot isn't really an act at all. The job he always wanted is too big for him. He will be gone in the New Year. Not sure who we will get next will be any better though.

[i_ateallthepies]

Stuck on it'll be Gove.

[Axholme Lion]

Rather it was Raab.

[EasyforDennis]

Aarrghhhhh

[BillyStubbsTears]

The biggest worry in this issue is the fact that, once again, Johnson has tried to sit on an embarrassing report, then been forced to deal with it. Makes you wonder what else he's trying to cover.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Then you've got this aspect:

1) Patel is accused of bullying.

2) Govt announces it can do nothing till an independent inquiry looks into the allegation.

3) Independent inquiry says Patel was a bully.

4) Johnson sits on the report for months, then when it is leaked, says Patel isn't a bully, case closed.

[Axholme Lion]

What has she actually been accused of doing?
 If it's just a case of someone getting a bawling out for being useless at their job or not doing what they're told then I don't see that as bullying. If every time someone got a bollocking at work they called it bullying then we'd all have had some.
It's not like the Home Office actually cover themselves in glory is it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well one of her staff tried to commit suicide after working with Patel. That might give you an insight into what she's like AL.

The boss of the first company I worked for was the biggest Kitson and the biggest bully I have ever known. There were three nervous breakdowns and one suicide attempt among staff, and one case of someone just vanishing.

It is f**king horrific working for someone like that.

[IDM]

If the senior civil servant in the home office sought for to resign and then sue for constructive dismissal under her watch, what does that say.?

[Janso]

Still, at least she baits the libs!

[wilts rover]

Yesterday the government announced they would be scrapping the funding for tackling LGBT bulling in schools.

Today Johnson announced he would be taking no action against a senior minister who was found to have bullied junior staff on several occassions and thus broken the ministeral code.

Is it really a coincidence they have done these in Anti-Bullying Week! (Yes it really is that).

[Donnywolf]

If the senior civil servant in the home office sought for to resign and then sue for constructive dismissal under her watch, what does that say.?

It would say she was a slow learner as a previous Ministry she headed had one woman leave and claim (and win) unfair dismissal and a huge pay off * I will look for the details somewhere so it can be fact checked

She was also accused of bullying in the second Department she headed 

Here is an extract showing she has "form" and has cost (presumably) the Taxpayer 25k already
The senior Civil Service man at the centre of the latest proven breaking of the Ministerial Code is heading for a Tribnal and they are queueing up to give evidence in HIS favour

[albie]

So despite being warned by a senior civil servant to moderate her abusive behaviour, then being found guilty by the independent investigation into her bullying, we are supposed to feel sorry for the bully.

Johnson decides to circle the wagons;
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1329772020658294786

So the just outcome is the resignation of the civil servant who did his job, and reported back on the abuser.

Its a great defence......I might have been a dreadful bully, but I didn't really mean it, so thats OK if I say sorry!

[IDM]

Regardless of the bullying or not, the PM asked for this investigation and the report.  The senior advisor is independent and made his conclusions.  But then the PM ignored the findings.

Why bother.?  The ignorance and ineptitude and invertebrateness of our PM is just as much of a scandal as Patel being found out to be a bully..

Oh and saying sorry I didn’t mean it and I didn’t know, is a child’s defence..

[EasyforDennis]

He is a mirror image of the other clown across the pond.

[turnbull for england]

What has she actually been accused of doing?
 If it's just a case of someone getting a bawling out for being useless at their job or not doing what they're told then I don't see that as bullying. If every time someone got a bollocking at work they called it bullying then we'd all have had some.
It's not like the Home Office actually cover themselves in glory is it?

My missis years back got a well paid job that just involved a bit of a commute
Turns out it was a commute because  noone local would work for him. Full on hairdryer type bollocking for slightest thing and general bully tactics, she told me after she left that she'd considered crashing car at times on way to work just so she had excuse not to go in. That's what bullying at work is , nothing to do with a firm or challenging environment

[DonnyOsmond]

It's a very archaic way of managing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Turnbull.

She's got my sympathy. I know exactly what it feels like to want to crash your car rather than have to go into work.

AL. What we are talking about is far worse than "giving someone a bollocking". It's about power games by sociopaths.

I'll give you a personal example. In 1991, during the recession, there were rumours that there's be job losses at the company I worked at. I was desperate to get away anyway and I applied for and got another job.

At the time, I was a young engineer doing what's called "training under agreement". It meant as part of my employment, I was expected to train to become a chartered engineer. There was a gentleman's agreement that graduates under training didn't leave, and companies didn't lay them off.

I put in my notice and immediately got called into the boss's office. Think on, I was 24; he was 65 and one of the biggest names in the country in our field. He went ballistic the moment I closed the door, telling me, with a finger in my face, that  training under agreement was a sacred arrangement. He said (quote) "If you break your agreement, I'll make damn sure you never get a job in this industry again."

So I turned down the other job.

6 weeks later, he laid off three other graduate engineers who were training under agreement.

What he did was disgusting. It was a power trip, intimidating someone to do his bidding. I was strong enough to deal with it and I gave him a mouthful and resigned a year later when he tried stuffing me for a f**k up he had made. But a lad a year or two older than me got stress-induced epilepsy and never worked again.

I f**king hate bullies and anyone, like Johnson, who covers for them is a pathetic coward.

[tyke1962]

Turnbull.

She's got my sympathy. I know exactly what it feels like to want to crash your car rather than have to go into work.

AL. What we are talking about is far worse than "giving someone a bollocking". It's about power games by sociopaths.

I'll give you a personal example. In 1991, during the recession, there were rumours that there's be job losses at the company I worked at. I was desperate to get away anyway and I applied for and got another job.

At the time, I was a young engineer doing what's called "training under agreement". It meant as part of my employment, I was expected to train to become a chartered engineer. There was a gentleman's agreement that graduates under training didn't leave, and companies didn't lay them off.

I put in my notice and immediately got called into the boss's office. Think on, I was 24; he was 65 and one of the biggest names in the country in our field. He went ballistic the moment I closed the door, telling me, with a finger in my face, that  training under agreement was a sacred arrangement. He said (quote) "If you break your agreement, I'll make damn sure you never get a job in this industry again."

So I turned down the other job.

6 weeks later, he laid off three other graduate engineers who were training under agreement.

What he did was disgusting. It was a power trip, intimidating someone to do his bidding. I was strong enough to deal with it and I gave him a mouthful and resigned a year later when he tried stuffing me for a f**k up he had made. But a lad a year or two older than me got stress-induced epilepsy and never worked again.

I f**king hate bullies and anyone, like Johnson, who covers for them is a pathetic coward.

Billy we don't always share the same views but on this we do .

I absolutely loath bullies , there's nothing ever going to boil my pyss more .

For balance I understand Gordon Brown had his moments too , it's not a Tory thing by any means .

As a person with power you take people with you not drive them away .

Sadly it's a management strategy that is in decline and says more about the quality of management today than it does about anything else .

Then again its about who you know rather than the skills you have today .

I've been got rid of twice for calling it out in the past and fronting it out with the perpetrator in past employments .

OK I lost a couple of jobs but I survived ,  the real satisfaction was exposing these people for how weak they really are when you front them up .

Not with brawn but with eye to eye contact , facts and an opinion .

Tough they mostly certainly aren't .

[IDM]

She claimed she didn’t know she was doing it, but apparently the senior guy who resigned in spring did tell her about her behaviour - according to the man himself..

[wilts rover]

She claimed she didn’t know she was doing it, but apparently the senior guy who resigned in spring did tell her about her behaviour - according to the man himself..

Which is not in the report.

Exact copy of the Russia Report which didn't find any evidence of interefence in the referendum - because they didn't investigate it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Reported this morning that Johnson asked the inquiry head to water down his findings back in the Summer. And the buzzard language used by No10 in responding to this makes it clear this report is true.

[Filo]

Reported this morning that Johnson asked the inquiry head to water down his findings back in the Summer. And the buzzard language used by No10 in responding to this makes it clear this report is true.

Here’s a link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55026137

[BillyStubbsTears]

Note that No10 doesn't deny Johnson asking Allan to change his report. They just say he didn't succeed.

[tyke1962]

As I read this morning , the Tories are all for you taking responsibility for your lives which is fine but they aren't so enthusiastic about taking responsibility themselves .

Patel is a vile women who has no place in public office , not because I say so but because the facts regarding her whole career say she is .

[drfchound]

As I read this morning , the Tories are all for you taking responsibility for your lives which is fine but they aren't so enthusiastic about taking responsibility themselves .

Patel is a vile women who has no place in public office , not because I say so but because the facts regarding her whole career say she is .

People should take responsibility though.
I had a mate telling me this morning that he was trying to get three other lads to travel together to Wales to have a round of golf.
Unbelievably stupid.

[albie]

Just a reminder from back in March, in case folks have forgotten;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51705069

So that will be a pay out for summat that didn't happen, or if it did, she did not realise it was like that!
If you believe Patel, you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy as well.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But that story cannot be right Albie. Because Patel insists that no-one ever pointed out to her that she was engaging in bullying behaviour.