The 6 second GK law!

[RugbyRover]

I think we've been here before regarding a game clock DW, couldn't agree more. There's a difference between game management when you're leading and blatant time wasting. As mentioned in previous replys,  opposition players kicking the ball away and sprinting half way across the pitch to stand in front of the ball to stop a quick free kick. I'd love to see Nigel Owens referee a football match, there'd be nobody left on the pitch.

Nigel Owens has recently retired. I would love to see some sort of documentary on him trying to ref a football match. Would be brilliant TV.

[RugbyRover]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

[EasyforDennis]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

I think you are wrong. I'm sure the rule changed to any part of the ball has to be touching the area.

[donnievic]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

the ball doesn’t have to be inside for a corner it just has to over hang the line when looking from above

[Filo]

Add i to the mix foul throws, every long throw Carlisle did in the cup game was a foul throw

why was every throw Carlisle did a foul throw

His foot was over the line

[donnievic]

Add i to the mix foul throws, every long throw Carlisle did in the cup game was a foul throw

why was every throw Carlisle did a foul throw

His foot was over the line

aslong as part of it is touching the line it’s ok

[Filo]

Add i to the mix foul throws, every long throw Carlisle did in the cup game was a foul throw

why was every throw Carlisle did a foul throw

His foot was over the line

aslong as part of it is touching the line it’s ok

If his foot is over the line he’s not touching it

[donnievic]

You didn’t say all his foot though but neither did you say part lol

[Filo]

You didn’t say all his foot though but neither did you say part lol

No I said is foot was OVER the line, it’s not difficult to understand is it?

[RugbyRover]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

I think you are wrong. I'm sure the rule changed to any part of the ball has to be touching the area.

this is how the rule is written on the fa website......

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-17---the-corner-kick

Procedure

The ball must be placed in the corner area
The ball must be stationary and is kicked by a player of the attacking team
The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves; it does not need to leave the corner area
The corner flagpost must not be moved
Opponents must remain at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the corner arc until the ball is in play

[EasyforDennis]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

I think you are wrong. I'm sure the rule changed to any part of the ball has to be touching the area.

this is how the rule is written on the fa website......

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-17---the-corner-kick

Procedure

The ball must be placed in the corner area
The ball must be stationary and is kicked by a player of the attacking team
The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves; it does not need to leave the corner area
The corner flagpost must not be moved
Opponents must remain at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the corner arc until the ball is in play

The Law states the ball must be within the quadrant, therefore providing any part of the ball is within the quadrant (including touching/overhanging the outside of the line) that's fine.

[ravenrover]

Regarding time wasting by a keeper we had the master a few years ago, Sulli.
Regarding kicking outside the box, the keepers have got cute about this they release the ball at the very edge of the box and end up actually kicking it about a yard outside the box

This is legal though isn't it? As long as it's not handled outside the box, surely.

Of course it is legal the ball is released at the edge of the box but thrown up so that it is outside when they actually kick it

[donnievic]

You didn’t say all his foot though but neither did you say part lol

No I said is foot was OVER the line, it’s not difficult to understand is it?

you could stay the foot is over the line when it’s not behind it

[RugbyRover]

My pet hate at the moment is where players take a corner and refuse to put the ball INSIDE the corner area.

Law 17 states the the ball must be placed IN the area, not so its touching the area.

Its something that came into the game 2 or 3 years ago. Dozy linesman let them get away with it all the time. Another example of the tail wagging the dog and the weakness of footballing officials.    

I feel better now.

I think you are wrong. I'm sure the rule changed to any part of the ball has to be touching the area.

this is how the rule is written on the fa website......

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-17---the-corner-kick

Procedure

The ball must be placed in the corner area
The ball must be stationary and is kicked by a player of the attacking team
The ball is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves; it does not need to leave the corner area
The corner flagpost must not be moved
Opponents must remain at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the corner arc until the ball is in play

The Law states the ball must be within the quadrant, therefore providing any part of the ball is within the quadrant (including touching/overhanging the outside of the line) that's fine.

When I tell the kids to get IN the car I don't drive off while they are touching or overhanging the car.

Obvioulsy its just me.

[drfchound]

Im back (not that I ever left) to the subject of a fixed 30 minutes for each half and the clock stops every time the ball goes out

Ben Whiteman had that shot and I think it went out at 70:00 and they showed the Replay of it, a few of my holiday videos and drew the National Lottery Numbers and were still in time to see the Keeper kick it back into play at 70:46 ffs

They were time wasting from the 3rd minute and in the 2nd half were taking longer and longer for throw ins - up to 30 seconds a time.

Its so bloody frustrating - surely the games rule makers must see what players are doing. Sure it wouldnt stop Keepers holding onto the ball but the Refs could start timing that - and it wouldnt stop them going to the corner flag to kill time but you could then at least boot the ball out our foul them  knowing the clock had stopped even if the player rolled all over the floor for 5 minutes. It simply would not matter and no disputing added time again EVER

We still wouldnt have scored tonight though with 40 minutes each way UNLESS FO was actually onside when he scored

Did you also notice that after the ball hit the ref and he had the ball in his hands so he could drop it for Whiteman, one of their players came in to about a yard away and engaged in conversation and and waving his arms about, obviously just delaying the restart.
The ref should have booked him for that but instead allowed the fiasco to go on for 20 seconds or so.

[Dr Fundlekrotch]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

[Donnywolf]

I simply cant see any advantage if they have the ball 1/2" nearer to the Goal before taking the kick. The advantage I think they perceive is being caught and thus wasting time

Shrews did it twice in NW corner and as Ref was walking over to check & had the bloke bang to rights Player A made it clear we wasnt going to take the kick and rolled it to someone else instead. I notice mostly this happens where the Limos are not positioned (SE & NW corners)

Its just childish behaviour which is getting worse by the Season. I am hoping some Team score a brilliant goal froma Corner and VAR pulls it back for being (or better still) looking like its out of the quadrant

[RugbyRover]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

[roversdude]

Im back (not that I ever left) to the subject of a fixed 30 minutes for each half and the clock stops every time the ball goes out

Ben Whiteman had that shot and I think it went out at 70:00 and they showed the Replay of it, a few of my holiday videos and drew the National Lottery Numbers and were still in time to see the Keeper kick it back into play at 70:46 ffs

They were time wasting from the 3rd minute and in the 2nd half were taking longer and longer for throw ins - up to 30 seconds a time.

Its so bloody frustrating - surely the games rule makers must see what players are doing. Sure it wouldnt stop Keepers holding onto the ball but the Refs could start timing that - and it wouldnt stop them going to the corner flag to kill time but you could then at least boot the ball out our foul them  knowing the clock had stopped even if the player rolled all over the floor for 5 minutes. It simply would not matter and no disputing added time again EVER

We still wouldnt have scored tonight though with 40 minutes each way UNLESS FO was actually onside when he scored

Did you also notice that after the ball hit the ref and he had the ball in his hands so he could drop it for Whiteman, one of their players came in to about a yard away and engaged in conversation and and waving his arms about, obviously just delaying the restart.
The ref should have booked him for that but instead allowed the fiasco to go on for 20 seconds or so.

Tbh I thought the ref was going to give a proper drop ball - it was pretty pointless as we had the ball before and after it hit the ref

[Donnywolf]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

Why dont they make it a Square anyway ? Then all the ball has to be wholly in the square - not on any lines -  EVER. Seems like a sledgehammer to crack a nut though !

Just players trying to gain from anything they can. Creeping at Throw ins - Keepers taking the p**s when taking free kicks where they creep forwards to gain advantage. They are supposed to go in Line with Lino but Ref sends them back and back and they will still be 10 yards in front of Lino who then gives up and runs to Half Way line.

[Alickismyhero]

I think it's time to do away with throw-ins as well as implementing a 60 minute game clock. It isn't nearly as much of an advantage to a team throwing the ball in usually to chest or head height than it would be having a player to pass on the ground to with opponents ten yards away. Look how we conceded against Gillingham, a classic "throw it down the linenand hope to win it" headed to a Gills player and one pass later it was in the back of the net. Barely any skill from the scoring team and not much chance to defend it for the throwing team.

I think Arsene Wenger mentioned it as one of his ideas to change the game and I think he's right.

That's an interesting idea. So a throw in would become basically a free kick?

Wouldn't that just allow some teams, we know who they are, to launch bombs into the opponents box?



Quite a few years ago the FL tried out doing away with throw ins, in a non league division. It was trialled for a season and did exactly what you suggested. The experiment was not extended after the trial season.

[rimmington]

Remember Sullivan at Wembley

[colfromdonny]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

But surely the ball must be touching inside of the quadrant.

[drfchound]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

But surely the ball must be touching inside of the quadrant.

It doesn’t even have to be touching anywhere near the inside of the quadrant Col.

[EasyforDennis]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

But surely the ball must be touching inside of the quadrant.

It doesn’t even have to be touching anywhere near the inside of the quadrant Col.

As long as it is touching or is over the white line its fine.

[drfchound]

On corners, the ball must be in the quadrant but, as anywhere else on the pitch, it's not out of the quadrant unless the whole of the ball is over the whole of the line

That makes sense, can't argue with that. Damn it 

But surely the ball must be touching inside of the quadrant.

It doesn’t even have to be touching anywhere near the inside of the quadrant Col.

As long as it is touching or is over the white line its fine.

Agreed but Col asked if the ball has to be inside the quadrant.

[POD]

It’s the same as for a goal decision that we see in the current goal line technology...... All of the ball needs to be over all of the line to be allowed as a goal..... and with a circular ball that includes the ‘over hang’.  So with a corner, the ball can appear to be outside the quadrant but as long as part of it is ‘over hanging’ the line then it is deemed to be within it ....and legal.

[Alickismyhero]

POD,

I think you are perfectly correct.

[colfromdonny]

But why shouldn't all of the ball be within the quadrant

[POD]

But why shouldn't all of the ball be within the quadrant

Because according to the Laws of the Game, all lines on the football pitch form part of the areas which they enclose.