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Quote from: godlike1 on January 09, 2021, 09:07:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky. SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though. We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forcedSeem to recall Lyle Taylor refusing to play for Charlton at one point, seemingly throwing his teddies out of the pram but, if I remember rightly, he eventually relented and played again. Still got his move to Forest in the end.If would like to think DM is experienced enough to understand and handle him. the longer this goes on.
Quote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky. SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though. We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forced
Quote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.
Thanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on January 09, 2021, 09:23:24 pmQuote from: godlike1 on January 09, 2021, 09:07:01 pmQuote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky. SM your insight and honest about tmwhat you can share is very much appreciated.I do think we can learn something from Peterbrough in one way on transfers though. We are a great club clearly at looking after players and its though no fault of drfc that he has had his head turned. Therefore for once we need to play had ball. We don't need to sell him so why do that? We have a squad that needs utilising and showed today how they all came together for each other.If he wants to go it has to be for the value we want, not one because our hand is being forcedSeem to recall Lyle Taylor refusing to play for Charlton at one point, seemingly throwing his teddies out of the pram but, if I remember rightly, he eventually relented and played again. Still got his move to Forest in the end.If would like to think DM is experienced enough to understand and handle him. the longer this goes on. That was a different scenario altogether though, his contract at ended but the season got extended and he refused to play on for them after his contract had ended. His move to forest was already lined up so he didn’t want to jeopardise that
Quote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben
They either meet our valuation or no deal. We are in the driving seat. He is our player for the next 2.5 years.
Don’t forget the players deffered some of their wages, we’ll need to pay that back to him
If he’s under contract I don’t see why it’s not that simple.Unless we are absolutely desperate for some money, stand firm and let him go at the end of the season.We’re in a superb position, he could be a championship player with us.Very likely he’s been tapped up with a big pay rise and he’s using “wants to be a championship player sooner rather than later” as an excuse. Half a year is nothing to wait
Quote from: Retdon1 on January 09, 2021, 09:40:47 pmQuote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben No, its not the club.Despite what everybody thinks of Bens ability he's not attracting offers from multitudes of clubs. His view is that he's not getting any younger and he wants Championship football sooner rather than later. The club are just being realistic of current market conditions, plus the club have always been faithful to their word and have communicated to him faithfully and openly.
Quote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 09:51:18 pmQuote from: Retdon1 on January 09, 2021, 09:40:47 pmQuote from: silent majority on January 09, 2021, 08:57:22 pmQuote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 08:51:19 pmThanks martin Do you know if they’re miles away from our valuation or are we close enough that a deal seems likely Well, firstly let me say that some of the transfer fees mentioned on this forum are well wide of the mark. In this current market fees are drastically reduced.The Barnsley bids during the summer were particularly pathetic, and the Preston bids have exceeded them by some margin. But we're still a fair bit short and I'm not sure if we'll get there. Even if Preston did a lot of our supporters would be extremely disappointed. The club are doing what they can, but if his head is turned, which it has been, then negotiating can be tricky.The fees I’ve mostly seen mentioned on here are around the £2.5 - £3 million mark. If your saying that’s wide if the mark then the club are seriously underValuing Ben No, its not the club.Despite what everybody thinks of Bens ability he's not attracting offers from multitudes of clubs. His view is that he's not getting any younger and he wants Championship football sooner rather than later. The club are just being realistic of current market conditions, plus the club have always been faithful to their word and have communicated to him faithfully and openly.So basically we’re going to let him go cheap.... great idea
What the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money. If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons. Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for ben
Quote from: dickos1 on January 09, 2021, 10:19:35 pmWhat the whole whiteman scenario does show though is that if the board do invest in good young players then in a few years they will make money. If we paid 250k now for someone like sims it would be a similar scenario in 2/3 seasons. Our current model does cause some concern as we’re not really investing in purchasing players for fees similar to what we paid for benI think for that to happen, you need to have developed a relationship, understanding and trust in a manager over a longer period of time. We've not had that for a while. We allow the manager to recruit as he sees fit and if, like DM, feels like he can get better quality from loans etc., then so be it. Whether that changes over time, it could very well work. But, I wouldn't expect the owners to start increasing the amount they put in to give a manager bigger pot to risk. That would have to come from income generated. However, as you know, there are always risks attached, which includes managers leaving, which puts you back to square one unless you have a director of football which some managers don't like.
There are also lots of clubs who get it wrong and spend more than they can afford.The Owners won't be upping their budget and let's not forget that things are changing with FFP anyway with tighter constraints.
Quote from: PDX_Rover on January 09, 2021, 09:52:40 pmThey either meet our valuation or no deal. We are in the driving seat. He is our player for the next 2.5 years.I wish it was that simple.
I agree it’s unrealistic I don’t however think it’s unrealistic for the board to get a very good replacement bought with the funds we get for whiteman. We were all disappointed that we never replaced Marquis properly