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You just can't help it can you?That is YOUR INTERPRETATION of what he says. Nowhere does he say anything remotely like that. You accuse him of changing his beliefs BECAUSE Labour lost. Maybe he did. Maybe he is lying through his teeth in that article in saying that many things had changed in the "years before" 1983 to change his mind. But you cannot objectively read that article and even begin to suggest that his words support that opinion. Well, clearly YOU can and have done. I'm just pointing out the error of that.
Roll up. We've got another BB Cliche Bingo game underway.
Belton.Serious advice. You need to calm down a bit.1) My original post was aimed at BB. GO back and have a look at the context of it. 2) My whole point has been that you absolutely did NOT give any evidence to support your assertion. In fact you ignored a whole swathe of argument in the very link you posted which flatly contradicted your assertion.3) I didn't "Blindly dismiss" anything. I said you were perfectly at liberty to hold that opinion, but that that was all it was. I said, on balance, given other evidence (such as Kinnock's work to cripple Benn's efforts to take over the party Deputy leadership in 1981, ensuring that the pro-EU Healy stayed in post) that I was inclined to believe that Kinnock had been on a long journey of changing opinion, and that the shock of the 1983 result was the opportunity to get the party to change policy. I also said that was only my opinion.4) Concluding from all that that Kinnock is some sort of political god to me is bizarre and is why I say I think you need to calm down a bit. For what it's worth, I think Kinnock did a massively important job of facing down those who nearly destroyed the Labour party in the 1980s, but i don;t think he was a very good politician at taking on the Tories. Too often he let his heart run away with him when he needed to be controlled. Thatcher generally tied him in knots.Going back to point 1, this whole discussion was about whether it was reasonable to compare Kinnock taking on the job of EU Commissioner (for which he was nominated by John Major) and Farage being bankrolled by a mate and paid by the EU for a job he never did. It's gone a hell of a long way round the houses since then.
My goodness the more I read of Billy and Bentons posts the more it makes me think of Fight Club
Quote from: ravenrover on March 08, 2021, 02:15:24 pmMy goodness the more I read of Billy and Bentons posts the more it makes me think of Fight ClubWell I do look a bit like Brad Pitt.
Quote from: belton rover on March 08, 2021, 03:07:01 pmQuote from: ravenrover on March 08, 2021, 02:15:24 pmMy goodness the more I read of Billy and Bentons posts the more it makes me think of Fight ClubWell I do look a bit like Brad Pitt.I heard you were more like his brother, Cess!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on March 08, 2021, 04:18:58 pmQuote from: belton rover on March 08, 2021, 03:07:01 pmQuote from: ravenrover on March 08, 2021, 02:15:24 pmMy goodness the more I read of Billy and Bentons posts the more it makes me think of Fight ClubWell I do look a bit like Brad Pitt.I heard you were more like his brother, Cess! Or his other brother, Broddy.