European super League

[normal rules]

Because even the premier league is not regulated enough to prevent it from happening because I suppose those that impose the regulations never expected this to happen ? I’m only surmising .

[normal rules]

I’m going to call this whole thing PLEXIT.

[River Don]

Pretty much since the inception of the football league clubs have been in the hands of the wealthy. They have been buying and selling players, first drawing them in from Scotland and then further afield.

This is how football has been since it began. But empires grow and fade, once Preston were a massive club, once Blackpool were a massive club, once Leeds were a massive club, once Arsenal were a massive club...

What is different about this 'super' league is the permanent right of the founders to remain in it. The abandoning of relegation.

I don't really have much against a mid week European league. Just so long as relegation exists and clubs from anywhere within the competition have the opportunity to reach the top whilst others can potentially fall from grace.

It just has to exist as a part of the pyramid, fairly.

[Herbert Anchovy]

There’s a tonne of hypocrisy flying around about this proposal. Listening to some of the representatives from the FA, Premier League and clubs you’d think that their priority is the ‘football pyramid’ and lower league/grass roots football!!! Sickening.

 None of them thought twice about breaking away to create the premier league in 1992. None of them thought twice about agreeing to the creation of the outrageous parachute scheme designed to help the ‘bigger clubs’ return to the premier league if the unthinkable happens and they’re relegated! And how many of them rushed to the aid of clubs such as Bury or Macclesfield?

The only reason the Premier clubs are pissed about this is that they’ve not been invited to the party. Does anyone truly believe that Leeds, Villa, Everton or Newcastle wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to be part of it?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There's hypocrisy everywhere but this step is a step too far and we know that.

We've said in the past, what happens when these owners get fed up? Well, here we are. They don't like losing money. They don't mind losing other peoples money but when their windfalls investments and returns are jeopardised, they want someone else to make up the shortfall.

They clearly want an even bigger slice of the cake but in their view, the rest of football is dependant on them. Well, it isn't and the football community would rather suffer and see these owners go than compromise the spirit of competition, even if it's already tainted due to them already.

As said, it's not the clubs fault, but it's a collective consequence of allowing poor financial controls throughout the leagues stimulated by greed by those allowed to take over these clubs.

It will not be allowed to happen, they won't be able to stage games on our soil etc. So even in that case, as many have said, there has to be consequences now the horses have bolted. The excesses need to stop, players will have to learn to survive on more realistic wages. We still need smart money men in the game but who are happy to operate within stricter financial frameworks. If that means these despots who own these clubs run for the hills, then so be it. Football will be back in safer hands.

We might even get the FA Cup back!

How we get from A to B is a different matter but its a step that has to be taken

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sky Sports are reporting that Chelsea are pulling out of the Superleague. Whether it's just what the protesters have been told to get them to disperse is still open to confirmation.

[keyser_soze]

Hopefully the house of cards will start to tumble down now.

[Glyn_Wigley]

When the 6 crawl back to the Pl, now that the FA and the other 14 know that none of these clubs are to be trusted in the slightest, I hope they punish them by taking away their PL voting rights for three years.

[Metalmicky]

Chelsea leaving already......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56823501

[Metalmicky]

My feeling is that it was all hogwash...... big boys just trying to make more cash... It will collapse now and they will get their extra pound of flesh

[River Don]

My feeling is that it was all hogwash...... big boys just trying to make more cash... It will collapse now and they will get their extra pound of flesh

No

It was very serious.

The a Glazers and Perez will be spitting fire right now.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sky Sports now reporting Man City are withdrawing.

Feet of clay.

[normal rules]

PLEXIT. The biggest box office blooper of them all.

What next though. Who would want to be a legacy supporter of Liverpool. Or Manchester United? Knowing full well your club owners are quite happy to treat you with utter contempt.

[Wiltshire Exile]

Could be over already. News breaking, (on TalkSPORT), that a meeting has been arranged to discuss the possibility of cancelling the ESL. No confirmation as yet.

[River Don]

That was a warning.

Things need to change at the top of English football in particular.

[ian1980]

Man City look to follow Chelsea in pulling out. This has gone well then lads. PMSL

Regardless of them pulling out and the whole thing not started, these clubs have left a very bad taste with all this

[normal rules]

Arsenal and Spurs will be the last to withdraw. A PR disaster for them. Supporters visiting Spurs new ground for years to come will be quick to remind them of the greed of their owners. And the other 5 for that matter.
They know what they are .

[Glyn_Wigley]

That was a warning.

Things need to change at the top of English football in particular.

Or else what? That people will get hit by the shrapnel when the next wheeze goes to pieces?

[sedwardsdrfc]

American owned clubs are obviously the last to give it up. Shows where the idea came from IMO the rest probably wanted not to be left out.

Clear warning needs to be changes from government to stop any possibility in the future. Hope the fans of the big clubs push to change their clubs because I’d be embarrassed with how they go on squeezing every penny out of them

[Wiltshire Exile]

Ed Woodward resigned as CEO of Man U.

[Beerseller]

Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final.  Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams.  Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them.

These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season.  It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop.  For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club.   Let the big boys have their own way.  The fact is, nothing much changes.

So who are we feeling sorry for?  Everton?  West Ham? Leicester?  They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us.  They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all.  There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended.  And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them?  They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't  a compliment.  If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye. 

They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly.  Boo f**king hoo.

Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.

Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six.  Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club.  Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.

Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City  (that's a real "ludicrous" for you).  Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.

Man City - now there's a perfect example.  2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing.  That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping.  They wouldn't be where they are without the money.  Competitive my arse.

Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.

The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.

For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.

This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia. 

So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.

[Metalmicky]

Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.

The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay.

For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs.

This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia. 

So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.

I perhaps didn't explain fully Beerseller - I stole the bit that I quoted mate - but I also agreed with what you said....

[redandwhitearmy]

Chelsea and Man City both pulling out. Ed Woodward resigned from Man Utd.

All come unraveling within 24 hours as I think everybody expected really.

[normal rules]

Many United happy fans will rejoice at this, they won’t be fully happy until the glazers sell up though.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Apparently Agnelli gone at Juventus.

This lot can't organise a coup properly, and they thought they could run a Superleague?

[sedwardsdrfc]

Woodward is a horrible slimy bas**rd they’ll be better run without him football wise you’d expect.

Some good May come of it after all for the game

[normal rules]

He prob needs to move out of his £2m Cheshire home too. It’s been attacked once and there are fans on some Utd forums asking where he lives. I guess it’s not to send him a condolences card.

[Dagenham Rover]

set to be called off

https://talksport.com/football/868866/european-super-league-off-founding-clubs-disband-chelsea-man-city/

[grayx]

Deduct them points from start of next season

[normal rules]

Deduct them points from start of next season

Morally these clubs have crossed the line. That’s in no doubt. I’m unsure they have broken any Premier League rules though. That’s for the legal teams that work with the PL to sort.
Signing up to another competition is one thing, but the devil will be in the detail as to if there has been any breach of regs.