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My feeling is that it was all hogwash...... big boys just trying to make more cash... It will collapse now and they will get their extra pound of flesh
That was a warning.Things need to change at the top of English football in particular.
Quote from: Beerseller on April 20, 2021, 03:50:42 pmQuote from: normal rules on April 20, 2021, 02:34:41 pmQuote from: Beerseller on April 20, 2021, 01:07:59 pmSince 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them. These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye. They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL. Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six. Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club. Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City (that's a real "ludicrous" for you). Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.Man City - now there's a perfect example. 2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing. That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping. They wouldn't be where they are without the money. Competitive my arse.Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay. For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs. This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
Quote from: normal rules on April 20, 2021, 02:34:41 pmQuote from: Beerseller on April 20, 2021, 01:07:59 pmSince 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them. These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye. They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL. Ok, I'll give you relegation not that its likely to affect the ESL six. Other than that, its so competitive that no-one has won it without oodles of cash. Its a rich boys club. Leicester would have been nowhere without billionaire owners, Blackburn were early rich boys before Jack Walker's demise and the only other winners are the ESL clubs in 27 out of 29 seasons.Do Rovers have a hope of winning it in the next 20 years? No, not a chance in hell unless some Saudi price decides we're the next Man City (that's a real "ludicrous" for you). Same for probably 84 other teams in the current 92.Man City - now there's a perfect example. 2002 they return to the Premier League and then pumped full of money, they become the next big thing. That's not Man City being given a fair crack, that's akin to financial doping. They wouldn't be where they are without the money. Competitive my arse.
Quote from: Beerseller on April 20, 2021, 01:07:59 pmSince 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them. These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye. They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.Comparisons to the formation of the Premier League are ludicrous. Anyone can be promoted to or relegated from the PL and it’s made both it and the EFL so competitive. The ESL would be an exclusive rich boys club and destroy the competitive nature of the PL with no top 4 race. 49 clubs have so far spent time in the PL.
Since 2000, if my arithmetic is correct, only 18 teams have appeared in a Champions League final. Extending that back to 1980 only increases it to 28 teams. Since 2010, the 12 clubs plus PSG, Bayern and Dortmund have contested every final. The chances are that anyone aged 25 or younger, doesn't remember a final without them. These clubs don't want to break away as such, they want to run their own European competition in an almost closed shop alongside their existing domestic league season. It really isn't that much different from what we have now, except for the guarantee of the closed shop. For all the talk of dreaming of reaching these heights, it never happens for almost every club. Let the big boys have their own way. The fact is, nothing much changes.So who are we feeling sorry for? Everton? West Ham? Leicester? They didn't feel sorry for us when they started all this with the Premier League cash cow or when 1998 happened to us. They haven't been worried that we are never realistically going to be in with a chance of European qualification. When they were selling their souls for pots of money for coming anywhere above 18th in the EPL they weren't thinking about the fairness of it all. There were no cries of foul from them when parachute payments were brought in or extended. And before anyone says "what about their fans?", what about them? They aren't bothered about us either. "The likes of Doncaster" isn't a compliment. If we go into oblivion they won't even wave goodbye. They'll all have to do what we do, manage on what they get and manage their expectations accordingly. Boo f**king hoo.
Stolen from another site..... but I largely agree with this bloke.The bit of it's that bothering me about the opposition to it is this idea that we want the clubs to actually stay. For me the fight is to make sure they go. The cat is out of the bag and they've made their intention's clear. I don't think the six/twelve should compete in a domestic or CL/Europa fixture ever again. There is no competitive merit to playing these clubs. This should go ahead and the 12 should go. Whatever is left of our sport is ours to re-shape. There is opportunity here for the rest of us. The one result I don't want out of this is for the grovelling, sycophantic press releases to accompany re-entry to the Premier League, as these wretched institutions twist themselves in knots trying to explain how it wasn't them all along and they never actually wanted to do it.
Thanks for the backhanded compliment MM but its actually all my own work except for a quick scroll through stats for the ECL & EPL on wikipedia. So, someone is plagiarising my work - had to happen at some point I suppose.
Deduct them points from start of next season