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Quote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.
Some harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.Hoof, gerrit forrad
Quote from: southwestexile on May 08, 2021, 07:58:05 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.Hoof, gerrit forradI'd prefer to call it a somewhat more direct style of play.Similar to the 2012/13 side. They didn't seem to do too badly.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.Hoof, gerrit forrad
Quote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.
Some harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.
Perhaps he’ll do what his good Christian mate did, sell himself for 30 pieces of silver and then not get paid
Quote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn’t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn’t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t exciting.
Quote from: drfchound on May 08, 2021, 07:40:24 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn’t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.And yet for the first half of this season, no team in the division scored more than us. I do wonder what some folk want.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 08, 2021, 11:52:19 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2021, 07:40:24 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn%u2019t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn%u2019t bad, it just wasn%u2019t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.And yet for the first half of this season, no team in the division scored more than us. I do wonder what some folk want.Not this f*cking lot, that's for sure.We overachieved in the first half of the season, when teams hadn't worked us out. The second half of the season proved that.Also, Ben Whiteman was so good it looked like a one man team.
Quote from: drfchound on May 08, 2021, 07:40:24 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn%u2019t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn%u2019t bad, it just wasn%u2019t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.And yet for the first half of this season, no team in the division scored more than us. I do wonder what some folk want.
Quote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn%u2019t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn%u2019t bad, it just wasn%u2019t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn%u2019t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn%u2019t bad, it just wasn%u2019t exciting.
Quote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.
Quote from: scawsby steve on May 09, 2021, 06:10:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 08, 2021, 11:52:19 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2021, 07:40:24 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He%u2019s a decent manager in my opinion and he%u2019ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that%u2019s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he%u2019s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He%u2019ll learn from that I%u2019d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there%u2019s no reason to think the next manager can%u2019t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn%u2019t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn%u2019t bad, it just wasn%u2019t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.And yet for the first half of this season, no team in the division scored more than us. I do wonder what some folk want.Not this f*cking lot, that's for sure.We overachieved in the first half of the season, when teams hadn't worked us out. The second half of the season proved that.Also, Ben Whiteman was so good it looked like a one man team.SS cant agree with that. Yes BW was a massive part of the team. The defence was pretty solid and was one of the best in the league certainly top 4 at the half way stage and as for the attacking part of our game well we were tearing some teams apart. Sims, Taylor and JJ were using their pace to great effect. Sims in particular was too hot for most defences to handle. A mixture of Whiteman, Smith,James, TJ, Copps and Gomes (early in the season) were controlling games in the midfield.Up front Okinheberhie was scoring as were Sims and Taylor along with a few screamers from JJ and the midfielders were chipping in with goals also. We had Reece James in a purple patch where he scored 4 goals in a very short space of time.As has been said we were the joint leading scorers after 23 games. We had games in hand and were set very well to make a serious push for a top 2 place this season.Some very short memories about how good a team we were. Same players as we have now other than Whiteman. No team gets 48 points from 23 games because the were riding their luck. That quite frankly is a nonsense imo. Our demise started when DM had his head turned probably about the time after we beat Oxford 3-2 at home on 6th Feb. We then lost 4 and drew 1 of the next 5 games before DM fled to S6 to manage a basket case football club.Injuries had started to take its toll on the squad with the major loss of Sims and JJ. Then Taylor and Anderson had very long absences. Taylor for the rest of the season. Other players have missed a number of games also. Copps, James, Wright, Smith, Okinheberhie, and Halliday.We have had a caretaker manager who in hindsight was not the right appointment to keep the ship on an even keel. His lack of experience and tactical nous being very obvious in so many games since he has been in charge. Today being one of the worst tactically imo.So to sum up is it any wonder the wheels came off and we slipped away alarmingly from a very strong position. Whiteman leaving, DM departing so suddenly, many crucial injuries and the appointment of a Rovers Stalwart as caretaker manager for such a long period of time ( to end of season ) with no managerial experience.All those were combined factors for the capitulation.So as far as I am concerned it has had nothing to do with the players not being good enough as they showed over the 1st 24 games they were good enough.The only thing is we can throw at them was a lack of desire in a number of games after we went a goal behind to show some bottle. On the contrary we completely folded like a line of dominoes.That I cant understand or accept from well paid professional footballers. What caused that attitude to prevail? Leadership or lack of it? That is something we do not know really, we can only speculate on that one.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 08, 2021, 11:52:19 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 08, 2021, 07:40:24 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 07:21:17 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on May 08, 2021, 07:10:46 pmQuote from: Jonathan on May 08, 2021, 06:33:09 pmSome harsh views on DM here. He’s a decent manager in my opinion and he’ll have a good career. It would be ridiculously harsh to hold him responsible for the relegations at WBA and SWFC. On the whole he got good results here, but that’s tempered by the way in which he left us, and what he’s left behind as far as the longer term interests of the club though. He’ll learn from that I’d expect, and we should move on. Whilst DM did a decent job here, there’s no reason to think the next manager can’t do better.I never liked his tippy tappy style of play, Jonathan, and he never seemed to have a plan B.Also, that dreadful playing out from the back was always an accident waiting to happen, and he's not the only manager that does it. I blame FIFA for this; they never should have scrapped the rule of the ball having to go out of the area from a goal kick. Keepers could still knock the ball wide to the full backs and play out from there, but what they're doing now is criminal, with the keeper and full backs tapping the ball about in their own 6 yard box while opposing strikers are bearing down on them. Utter madness.Anyway, this is all about opinion and speculation, and I personally don't think DM will ever achieve anything in the game.I didn’t find the football particularly great to watch throughout most of his time here either. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t exciting.Agreed on that last point Jonathan.At times it was really boring to watch.And yet for the first half of this season, no team in the division scored more than us. I do wonder what some folk want.Not this f*cking lot, that's for sure.We overachieved in the first half of the season, when teams hadn't worked us out. The second half of the season proved that.Also, Ben Whiteman was so good it looked like a one man team.
In a nutshell, SS, Whiteman carried the whole side, everyone could see it, DM especially could, one of the main reasons he walked in my view, knew from the day Whiteman left we were a busted flush
The incident when Balcombe clattered Tom also arguably destabilised two of the mainstays of our defence at that time. Neither looked as confident after that for me.
Quote from: idler on May 11, 2021, 08:16:23 amThe incident when Balcombe clattered Tom also arguably destabilised two of the mainstays of our defence at that time. Neither looked as confident after that for me.Agree with this. Although I lost faith in Balcombe after the debacle at Lincoln when he almost threw it away with his madness at the end. Showed that mentally he wasn%u2019t all there. Very poor decision making.