Thats me done

[dickos1]

All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game

I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.

Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may? 

We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.

Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating

[Pside]

Time to go I’m afraid. I’ve not seen anything to suggest otherwise

[scawsby steve]

OK, I'll say it; RW is worse than Dickov.

[BillyStubbsTears]

All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game

I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.

Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may? 

We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.

Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating

A side that is much better than us?

Like a side that had 3 wins and 12 points from 14 games before today? So much better than us that with a little dash of good fortune, they might have put 8 past us today?

[dickos1]

We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem

[Padge_DRFC]

It's okay we'll play another shit team at home sometime soon and win and paper over all the cracks.

MK dons, morecambe, Cheltenham, Cambridge are crap are they?

Yes barring MK

[dickos1]

All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game

I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.

Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may? 

We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.

Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating

A side that is much better than us?

Like a side that had 3 wins and 12 points from 14 games before today? So much better than us that with a little dash of good fortune, they might have put 8 past us today?

Yes a side that is much better than us, beat Sunderland away last week and will be up near the playoffs by the end of the season

[River Don]

This Charlton side are better than the league table suggests.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said of Rovers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem

Has the manager made the right signings and built a good squad?

Is the tactical shape of the team right and is he using the players he has in the best way?

Has he had potentially the worst run of results in our modern history?

Could another manager do better?

I think the answers to those questions speak for themselves.

It is not one game in isolation it's many.  How many teams in this league are worse than us, 1, 2?  We have 0 points away from home that's shambolic.

[MachoMadness]

Crewe is massive. A poor performance there and I think I'll be joining the wellens out camp. I want it to work out but this is embarrassing, we were given the uninspiring but understandable goal of consolidation this year and we're failing miserably to reach even that low bar. What do we do in training? There's just nothing at the minute.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?

[dickos1]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying!
Wind your neck in

[dickos1]

To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?

Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan,  and especially top of the league Plymouth.

Tuesday is a big big game.

[scawsby steve]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?

[The Beast]

We were never going to get anything at Charlton, you need characters in the team who will stand up and be counted but we just haven’t got them. The score line is alarming though, we can not defend to save our life! I always thought Butler and Joe Wright were limited but at least they competed! Do we do any defending in training, I’ve heard the training is a bit slapdash, don’t know if this is correct but it definitely looks this way.

[ChrisBx]

All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game

I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.

Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may? 

We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.

Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating

Back in the summer you were talking about pushing for promotion, now you're talking as if a relegation battle was almost inevitable.

[River Don]

I was hoping for a draw but wasn't really expecting it.

I didn't forsee them getting smashed again.

Before today, I was thinking we would get a result with Crewe but now I'm not at all sure.

[dickos1]

All the cranks will be out tonight on here, not been about since the Ipswich game

I don’t think I’m a crank but there’s noticeably more reasonable people getting to the end of their patience now. I still say another month.

Do you have a window for when a change should be made or are ok to stick with him come what may? 

We’re in a relegation battle,
Our squad is paper thin, we’ve got injuries to players who would walk into the side.

Got to expect a lot of defeats against much better sides than us, sides like Crewe are the ones we’ve got to be beating

Back in the summer you were talking about pushing for promotion, now you're talking as if a relegation battle was almost inevitable.

As I’ve just said, our squad is threadbare and we’ve 5 players that would play every week missing.
I still think we’re good enough to be well clear of the bottom 4 we’ve proven how good we can be in spells but it’s not been prolonged enough

[Copps is Magic]

Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.

The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.

Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.

The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.

This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.

[BillyStubbsTears]

We’ve played today without 5 players that would be in the starting 11.
We’ve got nobody in the squad to replace them with sufficiently.
A new manager will have the same problem

Has the manager made the right signings and built a good squad?

Is the tactical shape of the team right and is he using the players he has in the best way?

Has he had potentially the worst run of results in our modern history?

Could another manager do better?

I think the answers to those questions speak for themselves.

It is not one game in isolation it's many.  How many teams in this league are worse than us, 1, 2?  We have 0 points away from home that's shambolic.

That last sentence gets to the core of the issue.

Even the worst sides in a division can be organised to grit out the odd point in away matches. But there's not been a single away game this season where we have competed when the opposition has put us under pressure. We've disintegrated every single time.

These defenders are not individually as bad as that. So where is the problem?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?

It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

My philosophy is that a manager who has lost 10 out of 15 games needs the boot asap. Stealing a wage. Hate people getting paid for not doing their jobs properly.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?

Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan,  and especially top of the league Plymouth.

Tuesday is a big big game.

It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.

[scawsby steve]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?

It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.

I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you are saying that we should have expected to be utterly humiliated today? Only I wish you'd said that at 2:30 and saved me watching it.

Genuine question, BST; how on Earth did you manage to watch it?

It's a matter of pride SS. My phosophy had always been that if you can't take the low points, you don't deserve the successes.

I meant how did you manage to watch it when it wasn't on iFollow?

It was on iFollow.

[dickos1]

Wellens talks well, has passion, and has always had that dogged determination to win. Tactically, or his man management? Who knows, its hard to tell these things.

The issue is, the major error he has made is not just signing one or two bad players, but singing a whole squad load of bad-to-average players.

Whoever the manager they are stuck with these players.

The question for the board is now do they (a) give Wellens more investment to get better players or (b) give another manager more investment to get better players.

This is an absolutely critical question because we are currently heading to relegation, and relegation with a few players on 2 year contracts who are not automatically good enough to get us out of league 2.

In isolation his signings aren’t bad players
Knoyle was in league 2 team of the season and he chose us over a few other sides.
Close very good player turned down a new contract with with Pompey to join us
Galbraith done even need to argue that one

Not forgetting o Brien was it that he thought he’d signed from Sunderland.

Injuries have killed us especially Taylor and okenabirhie, they would’ve made a big difference

[dickos1]

To add to my last post, we are boring, don't look like winning games, incapable of making a tackle and have no real identity. It just isn't working and I don't see any signs of major improvement after what 15 games now?

Well the home form is definitely improving,
And other than 2 away games we deserved more from Gillingham, Wigan,  and especially top of the league Plymouth.

Tuesday is a big big game.

It's slightly improved, depends how you view it. We've played some pretty average teams the last two both newly promoted with smaller budgets than ours and we could easily have blown it last Saturday.

To be honest our home form has been decent all season,
11 points from 7 games is good and not relegation form, it’s the away form that’s killing us

[ravenrover]

I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.

So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?

[Bentley Bullet]

I think the owners need to inject more money into the club to sign a striker and/or more attacking options.

So that will be in January then or are you thinking of another free agent? Out of interest how much do you think should be invested to procure said striker/and or more attackers?

How about similar investment to local giants Rotherham?