Owen Paterson

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

I suppose WWII started on the Polish government's watch and they should own it?

[SydneyRover]

Here's the thing Tyke, if you're such a financial genius and could predict what very few did, tell us what what will trigger the next financial crisis, when it will occur, what we should do now to avoid it and most importantly what are you doing about it?

Take your time.

[Filo]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

I suppose WWII started on the Polish government's watch and they should own it?

So your not prepared to accept any responsibility towards the Labour government for something that cost the UK taxpayer £500bn and led to a recession that took 21 quarters to get back to pre - recession levels .

And they say Bunter doesn't take responsibility for his actions !!! .

[DonnyOsmond]

Just answered that, Syd.

Please read before replying!

so labour, not to blame for the gfc were expected to do what no other country in the world did which was to anticipate the gfc and change the uk banking regulations in isolation and disadvantage the uk to such an extent the there would have been a capital exodus?

You may be forgetting the tory answer to the gfc, Austerity, where over 50000 of out country folk died.

The Global Financial Crash happened after 3 consecutive Labour election wins .

I'd respectively ask you own it and not distance yourself by offering up what happened afterwards .

You lost the 2010 GE on the strength of it .

Own the fecker for God's sake , your watch it happened .

End of .

Your comment makes absolutely no sense, ask yourself why the US where it all started or any other country didn't do anything, you're talking financial dribble. It would have taken massive action in the US and then other countries collectively to forestall or stop the gfc from occurring.

You can live in your bubble of fantasy but you can't change history. Put up some credible sources to support your theory.

The tory reply, 50000+ dead and reduced ability to pay off debt, and they are the money managers, are they not?

Have o look at this then get back to me.

https://countryeconomy.com/gdp?year=2007

It does make me laugh when they poll people on which party they think is better with specific topics, money management is usually one of them and the Tories always do better. Despite the Tories financially crippling us over the 9 years before Covid was even a thing. It's the reason we have Brexit. People had seen so many cuts to services that they were told the reason was the immigrants, that's the reason auntie Doris has to wait 3 hours at the hospital because of them Polish immigrants.

Then we let an idiot who doesn't even know what a customs union is decide how we'll be leaving the EU. We've been a shambles of a country going backwards for the last decade.

[tyke1962]

Here's the thing Tyke, if you're such a financial genius and could predict what very few did, tell us what what will trigger the next financial crisis, when it will occur, what we should do now to avoid it and most importantly what are you doing about it?

Take your time.

It doesn't take a genius to know that financial markets go tyts up from time to time given it's happened many times before .

It doesn't take a genius to work out that if you lend thousands of pounds to people with a history of not paying it back then it's highly likely they won't indeed pay it back .

The first rule of governments is to protect its citizens from things that are highly likely to hurt them massively .

In this case financial regulations were the play to protect its citizens .

There wasn't any and the reason there wasn't any is because the Labour Party trumpeted free markets just as enthusiastically as any Thatcher government .

Something they should have been ideologically opposed to or at least had sound regulation in place .

[tyke1962]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Any evidence to support that remarkable claim ? .

Membership of a far right group ?

A voting history for UKIP ?

Support of the Tory ERG ?

Here we are again with any criticism of the sacred cow that is the Labour Party replied by the waving of that card again .

What's wrong with you people ?

[SydneyRover]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Any evidence to support that remarkable claim ? .

Membership of a far right group ?

A voting history for UKIP ?

Support of the Tory ERG ?

Here we are again with any criticism of the sacred cow that is the Labour Party replied by the waving of that card again .

What's wrong with you people ?

You don't see it do you tyke, it's everyone else but you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DO.
The Tories have been responsible for a string of self-inflicted economic disasters, caused by economically illiterate policy decisions.

1972 Barber Boom. They poured Govt money into an already strong economy. The result was an unsustainable boom, runaway inflation and subsequent collapse.

1981 Howe Budget. In the depths of a nasty recession, they made the mirror image mistake of cutting Govt spending and increasing interest rates. That turned the recession into a disaster with 4 million out of work and whole industries collapsing.

1988 Lawson Boom. Repeating Barber's error. With the economy finally recovering, Lawson made massive tax cuts. People spent the money. Inflation rocketed again. There was a crash and the 90-91 recession.

2010 Austerity. Once again, cutting spending in an economy in recession. Killing the recovery. Leading to the worst decade for growth and wages since the Napoleonic Wars.

Late 2020s Brexit. The only example in history of a country choosing to leave a trading pact that was beneficial to both sides. Resulting in what is looking like a permanent hit to our economic growth.


A string of textbook mistakes. The sort you are warned about in Economics 101. But the Tories have a reputation for economic competence. Primarily because the right wing press have never pushed the story above.

[Ldr]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Any evidence to support that remarkable claim ? .

Membership of a far right group ?

A voting history for UKIP ?

Support of the Tory ERG ?

Here we are again with any criticism of the sacred cow that is the Labour Party replied by the waving of that card again .

What's wrong with you people ?

You don't see it do you tyke, it's everyone else but you.

That’s lefties in a nutshell though Syd

[scawsby steve]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

[Filo]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

I didn’t realise I had so much influence on people, my comments still stand

[drfchound]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

Filo gets on at people who attack the poster….. and then does it himself.

[Filo]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

Filo gets on at people who attack the poster….. and then does it himself.

Grow up!

[drfchound]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

Filo gets on at people who attack the poster….. and then does it himself.

Grow up!

Classic response.
If the cap fits wear it pal.
It is there for all to see.

[SydneyRover]

Tyke joined these debates masquerading as a leftie, gradually his comments have turned him into a far right loony, or was he always that?

Childish comments like that, Filo, is a massive reason why so many people are turning away from the Labour Party. The same condescending sneers that we saw over Brexit, and look what happened there.

Regarding the polls, you should be careful what you wish for. If the present trend continues, Bunter will be replaced by Sunak, who'll be a different kettle of fish for Keith to deal with.

Filo gets on at people who attack the poster….. and then does it himself.

Grow up!

Classic response.
If the cap fits wear it pal.
It is there for all to see.

Tell us what you think about the nutty theory that the British labour party were responsible for the worldwide gfc hound.

[tyke1962]

19 conservative mp's and 9 from Labour have benefited from the gambling industry to the tune of £225k according to something I've read tonight online in the Guardian .

As it's the Guardian I take it as read it must be true ....... When in Rome of course .

Seen as the Tories have significantly more mp's than Labour right now in parliament that pretty much makes them equal in this matter more or less in my opinion .

Two cheeks to the same ass ?

Who knew ??

[BillyStubbsTears]

I despise any MP who takes money from the gambling industry. But let's have some context. Only two took wages. Both Tory. Accounting for nearly £100k. The biggest by far  being the son of our ex Dear Leader Pete Davies who was paid almost £60k to beat the drum for the bookies.

[drfchound]

19 conservative mp's and 9 from Labour have benefited from the gambling industry to the tune of £225k according to something I've read tonight online in the Guardian .

As it's the Guardian I take it as read it must be true ....... When in Rome of course .

Seen as the Tories have significantly more mp's than Labour right now in parliament that pretty much makes them equal in this matter more or less in my opinion .

Two cheeks to the same ass ?

Who knew ??

Yeah tyke, I saw that.
However, you shouldn’t make a fuss about it coz it’s ok for most of them coz two were more complicit than the others.
How many wrongs do make a right?

[SydneyRover]

''Six top beneficiaries (salaries and hospitality from casinos and bookmakers)

Philip Davies (Con): £58,675 (£8,695 hospitality, £49,980 wages)

Laurence Robertson (Con): £33,306.60 (£9,306.60 hospitality, £24,000 wages)

Scott Benton (Con): £7,495 (hospitality)

Nigel Adams (Con): £7,417.14 (hospitality)

Aaron Bell (Con): £6,955.60 (hospitality)

Esther McVey (Con): £6,094.60 (hospitality)

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/15/almost-225000-in-wages-and-freebies-taken-from-gambling-industry-by-28-mps

[Ldr]

Does the lack of Labour mps with 2nd jobs just prove how work shy they are?? (Kidding)

[SydneyRover]

Does the lack of Labour mps with 2nd jobs just prove how work shy they are?? (Kidding)

No they cover their tracks better (also kidding)

[Filo]

Does the lack of Labour mps with 2nd jobs just prove how work shy they are?? (Kidding)

No one is more work shy than the PM (not kidding)

[BillyStubbsTears]

And still it keeps coming.

Education Secretary Nadhim Zahawi has been paid over £1m by a Kurdish oil company but didn't declare the amount because it was channelled through his consultancy company.

As I say, I've no problem with MPs doing limited amounts of external work that benefits British people or interests. I do wonder how on earth someone can do £1m of work for a foreign company and find time to be an MP.

[number19]

Another day, another Tory MP muppet comes into the limelight: https://twitter.com/drum998/status/1460525900232110080

[BillyStubbsTears]

He's a local councillor to be fair, rather than an MP, but that is beneath disgusting.

In his apology apparently:

1) He's really, really sorry.
2) It was a prank. Banter.
3) It wasn't him what done it, it was a friend.
4) It wasn't him what done it, his account was "compromised."

So, basically, he's a bell and AND a liar.

[Ldr]

It was a funny meme mind

[idler]

He can’t even spell apologise correctly or did someone else send that as well?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It was a funny meme mind

It is if your gut reaction to an attempted terrorist attack on Remembrance Day is "Let's make a political joke."

[Ldr]

Totally out of character for me but I really do feel sorry for you at times BST, the world to you must seem such a dark and bleak place, is there anything you’re not outraged by? It was funny