Adverts on telly, what’s happening?

[sha66y]

Surely they just want to represent people who may buy their products, i.e every demographic. What’s the issue with it? Don’t you like seeing black people on TV?

I’m not that fussed to be honest…but mix raced families rolled out as if it’s the norm just feels like it’s being force fed…..
We have a lot of orientals in England yet the broadcasters seem to represent them very sparingly…..

[sha66y]

I generally try to stay out of the off topic sewer these days, this thread is a reminder of why. f**king Dulux colour charting black people, did you get the calipers out and measure their skulls while you were at it? Lot of people in this thread saying woke with a hard r, as my wife says.

Ignorance I take it is bliss in the MM household…..well done , good contribution!

[Axholme Lion]

Oddly the 2 main references for a persons skin colour is white or black, and neither of them is an actual colour. No person is entirely white and the same for black, So on that basis I am assuming, the terms of white/black are referencing the colour of skin more closely associated to, but not specifically. Having a colour grading system of every hue would be ridiculous.

In my eyes the only time you need to mention someone’s skin colour is if you have been asked to describe another persons physical characteristics, which would be a pretty rare occasion. Using it as a point of reference in this day and age is outdated at best.

If for example someone at work comes to you and says, 'I've been told to ask for Bill', you then point to a group of three men stood talking together and say 'He's the black fellow over there', what's wrong with that? It's like saying ask the bloke with ginger hair. I don't see the problem, it's not abusive or anything.

[belton rover]

Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.

I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,

when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….

None of them are black!

They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…

How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?

A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…

So coloured then?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you are coloured then?

[phil old leake]

Be careful having adult thoughts Axholme.  You’re bound to offend someone who wants to be offended because they feel they should be

[sha66y]

So you are coloured then?

Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.

I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,

when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….

None of them are black!

They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…

How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?

A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…

So coloured then?

Coloured, would in my eyes be fine had it not been used primarily to segregate people when racism was actually a legal standpoint. It has negative connotations to anyone it is used against, it’s used hand in hand with white supremacy. People of Colour I believe is the more accepted term.

I don’t think we had segregation in the UK,

when I first saw a coloured family move in next door I didn’t feel I needed to define them as Black…the father was a rich chocolate colour and his wife Chichi slightly lighter, in fact it was a beautiful coffee colour, their 3 daughters are not the same colour , the oldest is darker like her father and the other 2 are close to their mother….

None of them are black!

They are all differing variations of brown, and when we as a society can stop pigeon holing and incorrectly labelling other folk, we may get some balance back…

How would you describe yourself, Sha66y?

A creamy sheen that goes a pinky brown a couple of times a year…..but not white, snow is white and I’m a better shade of cream…

So coloured then?

Yes..Coloured!
We are all coloured and there are no blacks or whites, just a melting pot , big enough for all the world and all it’s got…..

[River Don]

So, calling someone 'coloured' is meaningless then?

Pointing to the 'coloured' lad over there, only begs the question, what colour?

It is confused, since black is shorthand for of African descent and Asian is a more acceptable term than brown.

[belton rover]

And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?

And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?

[River Don]

And you would have described the family who moved in next door to you as ‘coloured’ if they had the same skin tone as you?

And when you said ‘I think I’ll stick to calling them the “ coloured folk”, who are ‘them’?

You wouldn't describe anyone as being coloured. It's meaningless.

Describing someone as coloured then is shorthand for dark coloured, which is getting towards terms like 'darky' and so is discriminatory.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm surprised people care, really surprised.  I do think it's sad we have to purposefully represent differing people from society equally or in some different way in advertising and I'd be surprised if it made any difference.  It then can sometimes feel forced, that has to be a genuine point.

The use of the term coloured I never really thought about as I grew up around that term, but when someone pointed out it offends some it made sense not to use it. It's not hard to avoid a phrase or term whether it really matters or not.

I do though find it interesting that certainly in America coloured and people of colour are phrases very commonly used.

[MachoMadness]

"coloured can refer to white people actually" is one of the most insane things I've ever read. My patience for this kind of disingenuous shit wore out 10 years ago, god bless anyone trying to engage this nonsense in good faith.

If we're all one big happy family and everyone is "coloured" there's really no point in crying about how many "coloured" people you see in adverts is there?

[River Don]

To a degree it is a minefield, particularly for elderly people who are necessarily up to date with what is politically correct.

So 'black' is fine but 'blackie' is completely unacceptable. 'nigga' appears to be acceptable amongst some black communities but is completely unacceptable for anyone outside of it. Even Ali G. 'Coloured' is wrong but 'of colour' OK.

There is often no clear reason to it. So my 80 year old mum sometimes says 'coloured' but I assure you, she is in no way racist and would never want to offend anyone.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

[MachoMadness]

I think most people can understand if the older generation slip up and use outdated terms every now and then. It can be hard to get your head around, especially if you're from a traditionally white community.

Context is key. There's a big difference between some old dear who means well calling someone coloured and someone complaining that there are too many coloureds on TV.

[River Don]

It is about intent but you get my point.

I've seen my Mum hesitate about calling someone black but feels coloured is unoffensive. I've explained it's the other way around but she forgets.

[scawsby steve]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

Poor reasoning by someone of your ability, BST, and completely missing the point of the debate. Who has said there's too many of "them"? and what does "them" refer to? black people, white people, or adverts with mixed race families?

What there are too many of, are PC woke agendas by people up their own arses with their own self-importance, telling the rest of us, black and white, how we should live our lives.

[belton rover]

It's about intent.

You can use a word through ignorance or by mistake and not mean offence.

Use a potentially offensive word in a message in which you're complaining that there's too many of "them" on the telly and you've got a job on arguing that you're not discriminatory.

That is not the point of the discussion. But there you go again, accusing someone who isn’t one of your sycophants of something they simply haven’t done.
And you have the nerve to bang on about being misrepresented.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people  on TV?

[scawsby steve]

SS.

Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people  on TV?

No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.

I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.

I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.

As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.

Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.

I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts. Black or white.

[belton rover]

Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.

I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.

As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.

Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.

I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.

In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.

I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.

As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.

Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.

I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.

In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.

Ah i see. Thank you for pointing that out BR.

[belton rover]

Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.

I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.

As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.

Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.

I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts.

In simplistic terms, Colin, ‘people of colour’ puts the person first, whereas ‘coloured people’ focuses on the colour of the person before the actual person.

Ah i see. Thank you for pointing that out BR.

I only learned that on here, a few months back.
It can be good for something, this forum.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people  on TV?

No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.

I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. So. Not racist at all then.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

It should be encouraged having mixed race or black / ethnic people on tv and given the same exposure and opportunities as white people, as these groups of people are clearly under represented in the media.

It should also be encouraged to give disabled people equal opportunities also in mainstream media and adverts but nobody wants to do this.

Even f**king animals get on TV more than disabled people!!

[belton rover]

SS.

Look at the OP. Do you read that as saying that their AREN'T too many "coloured" people  on TV?

No; neither does it say there are. What it says is that there are too many adverts on TV with mixed race families.

I thought your understanding of semantics was better than this.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. So. Not racist at all then.

No, not racist. It was an observation that the ratio of mixed race families on TV adverts does not reflect society. Some people have tried to engage in that observation, and also challenge the OP’s use of language. It’s worthy of discussion.
You, however, have decided that it meant something else in a bid to play the racist card.
You never change, do you?

[SydneyRover]

But then not so long ago it was all white bread families and few complained, except maybe people of colour

[phil old leake]

This is one reason people are confused and apparently get it wrong

https://shadesofnoir.org.uk/people-of-colour-vs-black-people/

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Funny this should be brought up because family members and I were also mentioning this the other day. Not only that but it seems that rap music is now the music of choice for just about every advert. I find it incredulous too that it is permitted to have a music of black origin awards (MOBO) but the opposite wouldn't be allowed in a month of sundays.

I have no issue with music of afro-caribbean origin awards for example as it is highlighting music from a particular geographical area. But music of black origin clearly indicates a divide between people of colour IMO.

As for the word 'coloured' as used in the OP. Yes, it not appropriate to say that word in these times but i do not see why saying 'person of colour' is ok and yet 'coloured person' isn't.

Tonight for example on the Stockport v Bolton match. They had Alex Scott presenting along with Dion Dublin and Ashley Williams? Alex Scott gets on my nerves a bit but as for Dion and Ashley, not a problem. Both great blokes they seem but all a bit excessive IMO to prove a point it seems.

I have hidden disabilities but i don't see anybody on any adverts even with identifiable disabilities these days and IMO, people with disabilities are the most discriminated against. There is no representation at all for people with disabilities on tv or adverts. Black or white.

Well things like mobo were set up because the black artists didn't get recognition correctly in the other music awards. Maybe one day we won't need it and it will be inclusive enough in all events or the name will be changed to reflect something different.

I find your point on the football pundits strange. You thought that was a deliberate thing, I never been thought about it.  I thought it was 3 valid pundits including an ex player of one of the teams (probably their most successful) one of the BBC's main hosts (I don't mind her but she is used too often) and another of their main pundits.  That you mention it was 3 black people suggests there remains a problem.  Frankly who cares?