Christmas 2021

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.

Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.

Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.

But of course they are free to choose. Unlike the rest of us soon enough when life will not be able to be lived unless we sign up to forced jabs, passports and endless masking. Free to choose, unless you don't choose in which case you will have no choice but to choose what they want you to choose.

Cry freedom Mr Hancock? We certainly will be doing so when a lot of us are locked up in our homes for not having a forced medical intervention for which nobody will be put in prison for if it kills one of us.

Now is that murder or manslaughter? Either way, they will wriggle out of it and the relatives of the deceased will be left fighting for justice, and help and support. Because there won't be any.

And if you are unfortunate to have a bad reaction to the jab and it causes you illness, then you have the joy of going to your GP and not only trying to convince them that the jab caused it, for which you will have them laugh in your face, but then you'll have to try and get help from the good old NHS for the injuries caused.

Yep. Best of British with that one.

But what choice do we have?

None.

What a f**king country. What a f**king world we now inhabit.

Have as many vaccines as you see fit. I am not saying the jab is a bad thing. It saves lives and is vital for some people but allow others the freedom of choice to have an alternative view and refuse them. Even if you despise people who don't think like you, freedom to choose is a basic fundamental human right in a western democracy that is now gradually being stolen bit by bit under all our noses.

Just remember that one day, you might be forced by the state to do something you don't agree with or you don't want to do but by then you will not have that choice either. Having no choice is fine when you agree with what you being ordered to do, but one day, that something you are ordered to do might not be to your liking either but it will be too late my friends. Because you have no choice.

[Bentley Bullet]

I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.

Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.

Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.

Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.

Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.

Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.

Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?

No. They are worse than the Tories. Utter lunatics. Spine of a glow worm. Labour are so irrelevant that it isn't worth mentioning them. They are just a more authoritarian version of the Conservatives.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I still find it incredulous that after 20 months of this, there are people out there who will let the Tories dictate who they can see and what kind of Christmas they can have.

Last Christmas the Tories were having a party whilst people were dying and giving birth alone in hospitals.

Anyone still going along with what the Tories tell them to do is part of the problem IMO.

Would you go along with what the Labour party tells you to do?

Why do people automatically assume that if someone hates the Tories then they must love Labour? All very odd.

[Bentley Bullet]

I didn't assume, that's why I asked!

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I didn't assume, that's why I asked!

Haha sorry BB.   

Yes. Fair point.

[BillyStubbsTears]

What was it Churchill said? The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute chat with an average voter.

[tyke1962]

What was it Churchill said? The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute chat with an average voter.

What do you mean by an average voter Billy ?

Genuine question .

[Bentley Bullet]

Not sure what an average voter is, but it's surely better than a below-average one?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't mean anything Tyke. You need to ask Churchill.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I don't mean anything Tyke. You need to ask Churchill.

He's dead though. Probably within 28 days of a positive Covid test i don't doubt. 

[Bentley Bullet]

According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?

[DRCraig]

Looking forward to Christmas. The Grand daughter s 2nd one. And I might get a few presents.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

 Got a drawer full of Covid testing kits that my kids school have been giving her since April and we haven't used because we don't test. I'm going to wrap those up and dish them out to people and see what they say afterwards. 

[DRCraig]

With a piece of fruit !

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

With a piece of fruit !

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?

Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.

[tyke1962]

According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?

Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.

And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .

Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .

[Filo]

According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?

Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.

And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .

Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .

You mean the 6 year war when people followed restrictions to help save the lives of themselves and others? 6 years and some are bleating today about 20 months!

[sha66y]

According to the International Churchill Society, he never said it. Maybe it was just a story in the Guardian?

Thanks BB. I didn't know that. Disappointing how many of his quotes turn out to be apocryphal.

And other than a man for the moment during the war the electorate deduced he wasn't the man to lead in 1945 .

Take the war out of it the man was an imbecile .

You mean the 6 year war when people followed restrictions to help save the lives of themselves and others? 6 years and some are bleating today about 20 months!

20 unnecessary months!

[Spud]

Regarding family get together, there's a simple answer for me, & I can't believe no one has mentioned it, testing !

It's easy to ask everyone to do a lateral flow beforehand & go enjoy yourselves.
Merry Christmas everyone !

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Regarding family get together, there's a simple answer for me, & I can't believe no one has mentioned it, testing !

It's easy to ask everyone to do a lateral flow beforehand & go enjoy yourselves.
Merry Christmas everyone !

I just prefer to invite people who are happy to take the risk. We can't be going around testing each time we want to meet with friends. That is a ludicrous state of affairs. But of course if people wish to do this then i've no issue with it. What they do is up to them. I won't be testing and i don't expect anybody i meet with to test either.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.

I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.

These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.

I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.

These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.

I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"

It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?

[Spud]

If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.

I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.

These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.

I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"

It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?

It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

If you knowingly had flu would you take yourself to a get together where vulnerable friends or family were?
The facility is there to know your status regarding covid so why not? It's no hardship imo.

If you are ill with anything. Cold, flu, Covid etc then avoid people. Obvious common sense.

If you are not ill then don't take a test to see if you might be ill and get on with life instead.

If only they put as much effort into inventing a home weekly test kit for cancer detection eh?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.

I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.

These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.

I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"

It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?

It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.

The approach  is different because COVID puts FAR more people in hospital and kills FAR more people than any flu outbreak of recent times.

I honestly cannot believe this needs restating.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The resistance to testing is baffling. Why wouldn't you test?

We didn't test for influenza. The same approach is needed with Covid or we'll be at it forever.

I was under the assumption that the endless vaccination programme was the key to unlocking the door to all restrictions including testing, masks etc being lifted, but clearly this does now not seem to be the case.

These endless needless restrictions are normalizing health anxiety and uncertainty amongst children and young people which is an issue the NHS will have to deal with in good time. Due to one obsession. As short sighted as it gets.

I'm genuinely fascinated with the way you filter out numbers and just keep repeating "It's just like flu! It's just like flu! It's just like flu!"

It is NOT just like flu. What would it take to make you engage with the arguments why that is the case?

It is a respiratory virus. Like flu but with more severe symptoms for more people. So flu is a respiratory virus that kills people and Covid is also a respiratory virus that kills people. Until you accept this most simple of facts then it is not possible to discuss why the approach to Covid seems to be different to the approach we have had for flu for the last X amount of years.

The approach  is different because COVID puts FAR more people in hospital and kills FAR more people than any flu outbreak of recent times.

I honestly cannot believe this needs restating.

It is a minor virus. Even more so for most vaccinated people. Likewise, i can't believe this needs restating.

The measures simply aren't required any longer.