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[SydneyRover]

these are just facts is all selby, when does the series start?

[selby]

  Your too late, it is finished.

[SydneyRover]

If any single thing marks out brexit as a tragedy it's this, it has everything that is wrong with brexit and more, it is a financial hit to small business but it is the loss of connections made at a young age, memories of travel and the delight of the new. These kids will now find connections with other countries. It could be solved, but will it?

''‘Almost unsaleable’: slump in school trips to UK blamed on Brexit
Groups from the continent are going elsewhere, tour operators say, deterred more by passport and visa rules than the pandemic''

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/dec/26/school-trips-to-uk-slump-brexit

[selby]

 Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.

[SydneyRover]

Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.

These youngster will generally grow to be good citizens, take their place in the world, work and travel. Some of them may be in government in their own country, all these connections matter. In areas of conflict that has gone on for long periods there are usually great efforts made to connect the youth of opposing sides, Israel and Ireland are just a couple. This is done because they know many of the older people are set in there ways and cannot change. Ring any bells selby?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.

We can tell by the way the government has relaxed freedom of movement for people from the EU on the sly.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Syd, if you look at what is going on in the EU at the moment not many are able to go anywhere, nor do we want them here.

These youngster will generally grow to be good citizens, take their place in the world, work and travel. Some of them may be in government in their own country, all these connections matter. In areas of conflict that has gone on for long periods there are usually great efforts made to connect the youth of opposing sides, Israel and Ireland are just a couple. This is done because they know many of the older people are set in there ways and cannot change. Ring any bells selby?

It's not actually an impact due to brexit though is it? It's a decision made by the UK government that they are entitled to make after brexit has happened.  Whether you agree with it or not it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad.

On the same point do you think it's right that UK nationals can't transit France to get to say Belgium if they live there right now?  But if they were Belgian making the exact same trip it would be fine?  Apparently covid can tell the difference.....

Interesting on the last point France have now changed their minds....

[SydneyRover]

''it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad''

I think I've heard just about everything now pud.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BFYP.

There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.

There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday.  But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on.  They have yesterday changed that view.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

''it shows brexit enabling the ability to make decisions both good and bad''

I think I've heard just about everything now pud.

It's a very valid point though. I posted numerous times on here it would not be Eutopia with every decision perfect.  The UK government will be rightly held to account for decisions they make.  I believe that's better placed than at a European wide level (I'd go further and give local areas more power aswell on some things).

[SydneyRover]

sounds a bit donald rumsfeld to me pud.

[wilts rover]

BFYP.

There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.

There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday.  But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on.  They have yesterday changed that view.

But how could there be? Individual EU countries are not allowed to make their own laws about who can or cannot travel into their country - it has to be EU wide. That's why we left to 'take control of our border'.

Are you saying that was wrong and people were lied to/lying?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

BFYP.

There are no French Govt bans on British overseas nationals travelling home through France.

There aren't now as I made the point in my post yesterday.  But there were, the ferry companies and Eurotunnel wouldn't even allow them on.  They have yesterday changed that view.

But how could there be? Individual EU countries are not allowed to make their own laws about who can or cannot travel into their country - it has to be EU wide. That's why we left to 'take control of our border'.

Are you saying that was wrong and people were lied to/lying?

Well it contravened the withdrawal agreement for one so what they did wasn't necessarily allowed.  Much less fuss when the French contravene a treaty though isn't there?  Would you have the same view if it was the other way around?  Indeed the EU has maintained that inter EU travel has to continue so actually France has less control than we do to answer your point.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well this EU decision opens up a can of worms.
https://mobile.twitter.com/bopinion/status/1476205741983911948

[selby]

  Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.

[Bentley Bullet]

  Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.

Ahem, shhhhhhhhh, right back to that garden party......

[aidanstu]

  Unemployment in the UK 4.6% across the EU 7.2% Oh dear the predictions of mass unemployment were true then, just on the wrong side.

Sounds great until you do proper research and find that the EU unemployment rate is falling quicker than the UK and that their gross domestic product is increasing quicker than ours also.

This is the problem when people just listen to what they are fed; it’s how Boris and Co got into power in the first place.

[drfchound]

To be fair aidenstu, plenty of posters only tell half of the story when they put information on here.
The half that backs up their own rhetoric.
#bothsides.

[Bentley Bullet]

I'd like to know where they get this proper research from and what defines 'proper'. Does some people's version of proper just mean what they find to support their agenda?

[SydneyRover]

I'd respectfully suggest neither the Express or the Telegraph for a start.

[aidanstu]

I'd like to know where they get this proper research from and what defines 'proper'. Does some people's version of proper just mean what they find to support their agenda?

It not the front page of the Daily Mail so I doubt you’ve looked at it.

[Bentley Bullet]

So that's a sure sign of your 'proper research' claims being flawed. Where did you do your proper research to discover that I read the Daily Mail?

[selby]

  Thought I'd be wrong again. Keep grasping at straws Aidi, are they the current reported figures or not? or are the future guesses right in the middle of a continental lock down?

[selby]

Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.

[aidanstu]

Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.

Uk inflation is 5% eurozone 4.9% uk inflation is said to rise to 6% and eurozone is, according to the FT likely to drop. What’s your point?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Aidi, have you any proper research on your thoughts whether the future value of the Euro will cause inflation over there.

Uk inflation is 5% eurozone 4.9% uk inflation is said to rise to 6% and eurozone is, according to the FT likely to drop. What’s your point?

Of course the problem with this is the inability of the euro to meet the needs of all countries.  That's the euro average, break that down accross countries and it's a different picture Lithuania pushing 10% for example.