Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[SydneyRover]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

[tyke1962]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

Inadvertently wouldn't that be a damming verdict on the merits of the opposition Sydney ?

Any Tory PM given the nature of Johnson's record as PM at this time would surely be dreading any election they had to face right now never mind offering one up two years in advance .

[SydneyRover]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

Inadvertently wouldn't that be a damming verdict on the merits of the opposition Sydney ?

Any Tory PM given the nature of Johnson's record as PM at this time would surely be dreading any election they had to face right now never mind offering one up two years in advance .

read it again, I didn't mention the opposition tyke

[mugnapper]

https://mixedarticle.com/boris-johnson-got-his-hairdresser-pregnant

The internet is full of this story, but as yet,no mainstream media is reporting it.

[mugnapper]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-59147747.amp

Unrelated haidresser news. Now that's a WONDERFUL tribute to a great Statesman.

[tyke1962]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

Inadvertently wouldn't that be a damming verdict on the merits of the opposition Sydney ?

Any Tory PM given the nature of Johnson's record as PM at this time would surely be dreading any election they had to face right now never mind offering one up two years in advance .

read it again, I didn't mention the opposition tyke

Your very good at answering your own questions Syd .

Nobody mentions the opposition  and clearly if the rumours are right Johnson doesn't fear them either .

Would you have envisaged John Major calling an early one in 95 or 96
When he was clinging on for dear life ?

Johnson maybe deluded but he ain't that deluded he'd call an early election just to hand Keith the keys to number 10 that much I do know .

The thing is under Major there was less going on , the economy wasn't actually too bad and yet Blair was 20 points in front of the Tories .

Keith's slender lead could be wiped out in an hour .

Saying that from what's coming out of the Labour Party Keith may not even be around to contest the GE , the knives are out and here's the thing it ain't the left who are sharpening them either .

[Filo]

https://mixedarticle.com/boris-johnson-got-his-hairdresser-pregnant

The internet is full of this story, but as yet,no mainstream media is reporting it.

I’m sure the shocking news is he has a hairdresser, the other bit is normal behaviour for him

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://mixedarticle.com/boris-johnson-got-his-hairdresser-pregnant

The internet is full of this story, but as yet,no mainstream media is reporting it.

I’m sure the shocking news is he has a hairdresser, the other bit is normal behaviour for him

remember this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

"A neighbour told the Guardian they heard a woman screaming followed by “slamming and banging”. At one point Symonds could be heard telling Johnson to “get off me” and “get out of my flat”.

it seemed obvious at the time we had a case of "playing away ".... "again" here   and the "mediation" solution was  a "curtain ring on the finger" ... "yet again"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6586559/Puppy-dog-Boris-54-moves-spin-doctor-girlfriends-1m-flat-divorce-proceedings-going.html

[SydneyRover]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

Inadvertently wouldn't that be a damming verdict on the merits of the opposition Sydney ?

Any Tory PM given the nature of Johnson's record as PM at this time would surely be dreading any election they had to face right now never mind offering one up two years in advance .

read it again, I didn't mention the opposition tyke

Your very good at answering your own questions Syd .

Nobody mentions the opposition  and clearly if the rumours are right Johnson doesn't fear them either .

Would you have envisaged John Major calling an early one in 95 or 96
When he was clinging on for dear life ?

Johnson maybe deluded but he ain't that deluded he'd call an early election just to hand Keith the keys to number 10 that much I do know .

The thing is under Major there was less going on , the economy wasn't actually too bad and yet Blair was 20 points in front of the Tories .

Keith's slender lead could be wiped out in an hour .

Saying that from what's coming out of the Labour Party Keith may not even be around to contest the GE , the knives are out and here's the thing it ain't the left who are sharpening them either .

It's more than clear that noone from the current crop would be a suitable pick for your ballot paper and I have been waiting for you to name your choice of leader and most likely new team to run the country. Although it should be obvious, please ensure that you name someone that more than you and your dog would vote for.

Then maybe you could tell me what you are doing on the political front about getting your team, any team elected, or what you are doing with your union to champion the rights of workers. Otherwise I may start to think you're a whining do nothing.

[wilts rover]

Johnson isn't deluded but he is only interested in one thing and thats the welfare and interest of Alexander de Pfellel Johnson.

He knows his biggest threat to holding onto power is being sacked by the Tory Party- and if he thinks the only way to stop that is to call a GE (or at least threaten to call a GE so that his critics are in fear of lossing their seats) then he will. He wont call a GE to defeat Labour - he will call a GE to defeat his Tory enemies.

[drfchound]

Wilts, that is a good post sir, and it is interesting that you still see the Tories as winners if a GE is called soon.
Others seem to think that Labour, being so far ahead in recent polls and popularity, would now more likely be the winners.

[scawsby steve]

I'd say he is desperate to get to an election so he can spread any blame across the party.

Inadvertently wouldn't that be a damming verdict on the merits of the opposition Sydney ?

Any Tory PM given the nature of Johnson's record as PM at this time would surely be dreading any election they had to face right now never mind offering one up two years in advance .

read it again, I didn't mention the opposition tyke

Your very good at answering your own questions Syd .

Nobody mentions the opposition  and clearly if the rumours are right Johnson doesn't fear them either .

Would you have envisaged John Major calling an early one in 95 or 96
When he was clinging on for dear life ?

Johnson maybe deluded but he ain't that deluded he'd call an early election just to hand Keith the keys to number 10 that much I do know .

The thing is under Major there was less going on , the economy wasn't actually too bad and yet Blair was 20 points in front of the Tories .

Keith's slender lead could be wiped out in an hour .

Saying that from what's coming out of the Labour Party Keith may not even be around to contest the GE , the knives are out and here's the thing it ain't the left who are sharpening them either .

It's more than clear that noone from the current crop would be a suitable pick for your ballot paper and I have been waiting for you to name your choice of leader and most likely new team to run the country. Although it should be obvious, please ensure that you name someone that more than you and your dog would vote for.

Then maybe you could tell me what you are doing on the political front about getting your team, any team elected, or what you are doing with your union to champion the rights of workers. Otherwise I may start to think you're a whining do nothing.

Is that Peter Noone, of Herman's Hermits?

[wilts rover]

Wilts, that is a good post sir, and it is interesting that you still see the Tories as winners if a GE is called soon.
Others seem to think that Labour, being so far ahead in recent polls and popularity, would now more likely be the winners.

I am afraid I agree with the polls hound. If Johnson can't win in North Shropshire or Tiverton, seats the Tories have never lost, then they wont win a GE anytime soon.

But I doubt Johnson does, he is that arrogant. And more pertinately he knows his most immediate threat is being thrown out by the Tory Party so he will deal with them first. If that means calling a GE, thats what he will do. He's still in power - and thats what he cares about.

There's no long term plan, it's one day a time. That's how he has been all his life.

[SydneyRover]

I hereby anoint SS as the forum peddant

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wilts, that is a good post sir, and it is interesting that you still see the Tories as winners if a GE is called soon.
Others seem to think that Labour, being so far ahead in recent polls and popularity, would now more likely be the winners.

I am afraid I agree with the polls hound. If Johnson can't win in North Shropshire or Tiverton, seats the Tories have never lost, then they wont win a GE anytime soon.

But I doubt Johnson does, he is that arrogant. And more pertinately he knows his most immediate threat is being thrown out by the Tory Party so he will deal with them first. If that means calling a GE, thats what he will do. He's still in power - and thats what he cares about.

There's no long term plan, it's one day a time. That's how he has been all his life.

There's a very serious threat emerging for the Tories Wilts which you allude to.

There's no way that Lab and the LDs are going to have a formal alliance before the next election. But on the ground, people are starting to vote for Anyone But the Tories.

Thousands of previous Labour voters voted LD in Tiverton & Honiton and in North Shropshire, because they knew Labour couldn't win there, but the LDs could.

I'm no fan of the LDs, but I'd take that if it meant that the Tories were denied a majority next time, and we could implement PR in the next Parliament.

[SydneyRover]

''Britain is proposing a new law that will require social media companies to proactively tackle disinformation posted by foreign states such as Russia''

the Guardian.

government lies and disinformation ...... hmmm

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just another day in which Johnson lies in a way that would have ended the career of every single previous PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

So, so damaging to our politics, this normalisation of lying without consequences.

[SydneyRover]

And the net result, a government trapped in the headlights unable to function properly whilst looking after it's own arse.

[SydneyRover]

Just another day in which Johnson lies in a way that would have ended the career of every single previous PM.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62047883

So, so damaging to our politics, this normalisation of lying without consequences.

And the lying is doubly dim, he either promoted someone without checks or asking, or as we all know now, promoting a lackey in full knowledge of his previous poor or criminal behaviour.

[BobG]

He's been well and truly done over this morning hasn't he? A public, written statement from an ex senior civil servant confirming that the Greasy Piglet was personally briefed months and months ago about the sexual depradations of the guy. Ergo the Piglet's claim to know nothing is a downright lie. Even the BBC, the cowed and pusillanimous BBC, broadcast that fact using those very words.

The knives are being sharpened.

BobG

[Glyn_Wigley]

It looks like Raab could be toast as well after him saying that Johnson being briefed about Pinscher was 'news to him'.

It means that either Raab knew too and is lying himself, or that Raab is being lied to as well as the rest of us which still doesn't look good for him.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the box, but even I should have seen the nominative determinism in Pincher and Gropegate.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is how f**king stupid they think their supporters are.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1544291206833872898

They think you'll swallow the concept that, when the PM heard one of his key staff had been caught shitfaced with his hands down someone's pants, he forgot that he had taken disciplinary action against him a couple of years ago for getting shitfaced and sticking his hands down someone's pants.

Because, of course, that's the sort of thing you don't remember.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Very seriously though. How is our democracy supposed to recover from this?

What incentives are there for any politician ever again being honest?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It looks like Raab could be toast as well after him saying that Johnson being briefed about Pinscher was 'news to him'.

It means that either Raab knew too and is lying himself, or that Raab is being lied to as well as the rest of us which still doesn't look good for him.

Most likely the latter. This is far far more serious than the birthday cake issue.  It's not at all something you forget. If it was one of my team they'd be out the door no questions asked and I certainly wouldn't appoint someone with that background.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Javid resigns now too, hopefully not the last.

[Darren]

 The rats are jumping.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It looks like Raab could be toast as well after him saying that Johnson being briefed about Pinscher was 'news to him'.

It means that either Raab knew too and is lying himself, or that Raab is being lied to as well as the rest of us which still doesn't look good for him.

Most likely the latter. This is far far more serious than the birthday cake issue.  It's not at all something you forget. If it was one of my team they'd be out the door no questions asked and I certainly wouldn't appoint someone with that background.

It's bad enough when the little ministers who are so desperate to cling on to a job they know that no-one else would give them peddle Johnson's crap for him, but if a PM (and his No.10 machinery!) is knowingly lying to his own Deputy PM to get him to do the same what kind of a government is this shambles?

[albie]

Bozo looking to hold on until the summer recess, to gain some breathing space.
Expect more unavailability, due to jaunts here, there and everywhere.

As he will not resign, it is down to the 1922 to cull him.
New elections to the 1922 coming up, which could cook his oven ready goose!

On the subject of electoral pacts, I would think a Tory/LibDem pact more likely than any other combination in the event of a hung parliament.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Javid resigns now too, hopefully not the last.

Wow, that's a big name to jump. Could it open the floodgates?