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BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #630 on April 12, 2022, 05:44:54 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
The line some tory MPs are taking is they can't sack the PM in the middle of the Ukraine war.

Well, we did change PM during WWII.

Previously, we have seen the resignation of sitting PMs during:

WWII
WWI
The Crimean War
The Napoleonic War (x4 plus another one assassinated)
The American War of Independence (x2 plus another one who died in office)

In addition, Churchill was voted out as PM while WWII was still ongoing.
Anthony Eden was effectively replaced during the Suez Crisis due to a nervous breakdown.

It is absolute horseshit to say Johnson cannot be removed because of Ukraine. Those saying it have one of two motives.


1) They are paid-up Johnson supporters.
2) They know that this year is going to be horrific for people's living standards, and they know that whoever is PM is going to take a massive popularity hit. Better to leave Johnson to take the flak, then replace him if/when conditions improve so that they have a shiny new PM for the next election.

I'd like to think there are enough Tory MPs with moral standards and a backbone to do the right thing. But I'm not convinced.

Iraq - Saddam invaded Kuwait on 2nd August - Thatcher announced her resignation on 22nd November and Major took over on 28th November

Aye I'd forgotten that. And Blair was effectively forced into resigning by Brown when we were still engaged in active service in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2007.

Basically, this argument is a crock of shite isn't it?



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« Reply #631 on April 12, 2022, 05:58:34 pm by BVB »
Here's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant.

"I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."

You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?

Teachers and nurses having a quiet one at work????
Complete f**kwit - clearly he hasn’t been in a hospital or school for decades.

River Don

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #632 on April 12, 2022, 06:01:50 pm by River Don »
David Lammy just made a strong point on the radio.

If we don't insist on following the rule of law and the conventions of our own democracy now, then what does that say to the Ukranians, who are fighting and dying for these very principles?
« Last Edit: April 12, 2022, 06:12:49 pm by River Don »

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #633 on April 12, 2022, 06:02:24 pm by BobG »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #634 on April 12, 2022, 06:27:45 pm by tyke1962 »
The news broke on the radio while we were having break at work , around 20 people in the canteen .

People were either eating or looking at their phones .

Not one person said a word , not one single word .

Read in to that what you will .

wilts rover

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« Reply #635 on April 12, 2022, 06:54:49 pm by wilts rover »
Astonishing paralysis of Westminster with @SamCoatesSky reporting that government were considering recall of Parliament to discuss possible use of chemical weapons in Ukraine, but now have scrapped the plans due to the fines.

So rather needing to keep Johnson in place because that would affect the response to Ukraine it seems it is exactly the opposite. Having a liar in place is affecting the response to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/Direthoughts/status/1513890252900945932

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« Reply #636 on April 12, 2022, 06:58:27 pm by idler »
Here's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant.

"I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."

You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?


At my daughter's school in Bradford teachers were told that under no circumstances were they to socialise with each other outside school because it would leave the the school vulnerable if a lot caught Covid at once.

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #637 on April 12, 2022, 07:03:13 pm by danumdon »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #638 on April 12, 2022, 07:17:19 pm by tyke1962 »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?

Whilst I don't think Starmer is exactly all that by any means your analysis fails to acknowledge a number of things .

The people who have absolutely no interest in politics .

The people who are totally disenfranchised from the two main political party's .

The FPTP voting system , Labour won 150 seats on just over 30% of the vote , second Blair win I believe , could be wrong mind .






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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #639 on April 12, 2022, 07:33:36 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Boris's party might be as poor as Donny Rovers in football terms but as long as they are up against Crewe Alexandra on the other side of the house they will quite happily play them every week.

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« Reply #640 on April 12, 2022, 07:48:05 pm by roversdude »
Here's another Tory MP sacrificing his dignity for Johnson. That other ridiculously coiffured blonde, Michael Fabricant.

"I don’t think that at any time [Johnson] thought that he was breaking the law. I think that at the time he thought, just like many teachers and nurses who after a very, very long shift would tend to go back to the staff room and have a quiet drink - which is more or less what he has done - but I don’t think he thought he was breaking the law."

You can see the concept. They've lied to the public for years and treated ordinary voters as if they are too thick to realise. And STILL 35% of voters say they support them. Why not go all-in?

Teachers and nurses having a quiet one at work????
Complete f**kwit - clearly he hasn’t been in a hospital or school for decades.


Can’t remember my Mrs stopping for a drink in the staff room after the bell had gone - what a load of toss, stop insulting people you entitled git

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #641 on April 12, 2022, 07:50:33 pm by roversdude »
Sorry just to clarify that was aimed at Bono

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #642 on April 12, 2022, 07:51:14 pm by danumdon »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?

Whilst I don't think Starmer is exactly all that by any means your analysis fails to acknowledge a number of things .

The people who have absolutely no interest in politics .

The people who are totally disenfranchised from the two main political party's .

The FPTP voting system , Labour won 150 seats on just over 30% of the vote , second Blair win I believe , could be wrong mind .







Tyke not sure if you were replying to me but if you were.

The people who have no interest in politics or who are disenfranchised from the two main party's have in all seriousness made themselves irrelevant in the face of the voting constitution of the country, that includes the first past the post system of voting as no party in the UK would, whist in power ever have the gumption to remove it for any other system of voting.

Its a great shame that we as a nation have these two, foul and incompetent party's that will form the next and subsequent governments.

It can't stand the posturing little weasel in France but its a shame we as a nation cannot have someone to cut through the crap and announce themselves on the political stage as he did.

They say that you get the government you deserve, then someone somewhere has been really bad!!

Bentley Bullet

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #643 on April 12, 2022, 08:05:46 pm by Bentley Bullet »
Sorry just to clarify that was aimed at Bono

A bit close to the edge there.

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« Reply #644 on April 12, 2022, 08:17:53 pm by roversdude »
 :thumbsup:
Sorry just to clarify that was aimed at Bono

A bit close to the edge there.

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« Reply #645 on April 12, 2022, 08:18:06 pm by ChrisBx »
There's a noticeable silence from Sunak tonight. I wonder if he realises his political ambitions have been all-but killed off this week and is therefore considering his position. His resignation would cause major problems for Johnson.


Edit: And as soon as I say that, he's issued a statement in which he apologises.

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« Reply #646 on April 12, 2022, 08:30:11 pm by BobG »
Oh that's all right then.

BobG

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« Reply #647 on April 12, 2022, 08:32:59 pm by ChrisBx »
Oh that's all right then.

BobG

I'm not saying that. My previous posts make it clear I think they should resign.

My point was about whether Sunak would break rank and resign, however that clearly won't be happening in the immediate future.

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« Reply #648 on April 12, 2022, 08:37:29 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?
Alternatively, what does it say about over-55s?

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Re: Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson
« Reply #649 on April 12, 2022, 08:45:10 pm by ravenrover »
Word of the day is 'maw-worm' (19th century): one who insists that they have done nothing wrong, despite evidence to the contrary.

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« Reply #650 on April 12, 2022, 08:57:03 pm by danumdon »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?
Alternatively, what does it say about over-55s?

I don’t know, why don’t you ask them, they are after all the ones who bother to vote so they tend to get their wishes.

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« Reply #651 on April 12, 2022, 09:17:14 pm by River Don »
Watching this unfold tonight. It's really very sad.

This is doing huge damage to British demcracy. It's doing damage to the standing of the country. It's not political.

We are really going down the pan.

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« Reply #652 on April 12, 2022, 09:24:05 pm by BobG »
Oh that's all right then.

BobG

I'm not saying that. My previous posts make it clear I think they should resign.

My point was about whether Sunak would break rank and resign, however that clearly won't be happening in the immediate future.

My comment was extremely tongue in cheek ChrisBX. I wasn't having a go at anybody. Well, excepting Sunak of course.

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« Reply #653 on April 12, 2022, 09:57:28 pm by drfchound »
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears linking=topic=283810.msg1152200#msg1152200 date=1649781587
This is astonishing.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/12/c5ce0/3

After all this shit show, 45% of Tory voters are not prepared to say that Johnson lied about the parties.
37% of Leave voters similar.
39% of pensioners similar.



https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2022/04/1j2/c5ce0/1
Only 25% of Tory voters, 35% of Leave voters and 42% of pensioners think Johnson should resign.

What the hell would it take to breakfasts that spell?

Clearly, there can only be one explanation for being so far divorced from reality.  A covert Tory  campaign to ensure their future in government by giving pre frontal lobotomies to their supporters.

BobG

I think you should take another look at those polling stats, it does not make good reading for anyone who has illusions of power when they show that the over 55's, who are the most ardent voting faction have as much trust and belief in the Labour leader than they do in this most incompetent and distrustful PM.

So basically Johnson can make a proper pigs ear of everything he touches and says but a large proportion of the voting public still trust him as much as they can bear to trust Keith. Does this say more about the UK population or the incompetents we have who wish to lead?

For the record, i believe that this PM, who should of resigned many a moon ago is a disgrace and one of the worst things that could happen to this country, but the Uk public could still not bring itself to vote for the alternative and in all probability will still hold its nose and vote for this slime-ball or his successor.

What does that say for the caliber of opposition we have standing for high office in this country?
Alternatively, what does it say about over-55s?

I don’t know, why don’t you ask them, they are after all the ones who bother to vote so they tend to get their wishes.

He has a thing about slating older people, especially pensioners.

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« Reply #654 on April 12, 2022, 10:17:25 pm by SydneyRover »
Bravo to all those taking attention away from the point of the thread and the criminality of the PM and treasurer in a strong rear guard action, it took some doing but you did it.

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« Reply #655 on April 12, 2022, 10:20:43 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Next PMQ.

This Twitter thread should be read out to Johnson, with the question: would he meet this woman face to face and explain his miserable f**king excuse to her?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Poppyjuice/status/1513957117488685071

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« Reply #656 on April 12, 2022, 10:23:39 pm by roversdude »
So the official line must be “they’ve accepted responsibility and now we move on” with how May variations of this have been rolled out this evening

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« Reply #657 on April 12, 2022, 10:30:10 pm by wilts rover »
I think they will only be moving on to the next one.

The police appear to be rolling out these fines on an event-by-event basis. Last week's fines were for a leaving do, today's for Johnson's birthday party. How many were they looking into in total 12-18 something like that? Only one way this wont be in the news for a while yet.

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« Reply #658 on April 12, 2022, 10:36:33 pm by drfchound »
Weren’t people suggesting that the photos that were leaked of the garden party were taken by Sunak?
That accusation is looking unlikely now.

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« Reply #659 on April 12, 2022, 10:38:54 pm by SydneyRover »
I think they will only be moving on to the next one.

The police appear to be rolling out these fines on an event-by-event basis. Last week's fines were for a leaving do, today's for Johnson's birthday party. How many were they looking into in total 12-18 something like that? Only one way this wont be in the news for a while yet.

Attending more than one party should mean more than one fine?

You can't take a bunch of fines and decide just to pay one of them.

 

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