Kurt Zouma

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Video surfacing of him chasing his cat around, hitting it, kicking it and laughing. Piece of shit. Hope he dies. Hate animal cruelty. Sack the dirty bas**rd West Ham if you have any decency. Scum of the earth.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

Absolutely disgusting. Made me feel sick. He's now at West Ham (as if that matters). I can't imagine David Moyes standing for this shit.

He wants locking up for that.

[normal rules]

Here’s a thing you may not know.
If you run a dog over whilst driving a car, the law states you should report it to the police.
Cats are not recognised by the same law though.
This is not condoning violence to cats btw.

[Donnywolf]

SORRY - says Zouma

AGAIN imo for getting caught / exposed

Familiar pattern these days - get rid of him WHU

[glosterred]

West Ham should, but won’t sack him in the same way the women caught kicking a horse was. Maybe it’s because he’s a footballer and not a teacher that he won’t get sacked

[drfchound]

What a total w**ker Zouma is.
He even has his kid abusing the cat.
Surely he should be prosecuted and banned from keeping animals.

[normal rules]

The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.

[drfchound]

Who was filming by the way.
I didn’t hear anyone protesting so they must have been happy for it to happen.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.

RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction.  A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.

Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.

Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. 

The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.

Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.

I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.

In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The way he played against Kidderminster at the weekend, I'm surprised he managed to make contact with the cat when he swung his foot at it.

[River Don]

Interesting CDH

I often donate petfood to the RSPCA centre in York. Would that be independently funded too?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Interesting CDH

I often donate petfood to the RSPCA centre in York. Would that be independently funded too?

Yes. York is a place i know well. Just before the bridge at Clifton. I've been there many times to help out and drop animals off. Ruth was manager last time i went but that was a few years ago now.

York and District RSPCA is branch run and has to generate all its own revenue. The only revenues that branches can get from RSPCA HQ as far as i'm aware are grants for improvements to centres and also HQ pay individual shelters boarding fees if the Inspectors / Collection Officers have to seize animals or collect wildlife and board them in centres.

The Inspectors and Collection Officers are employed by HQ and cover specific geographical areas, but use Branch run facilities as a matter of course. Any animals that the Inspectors / Collection Officers board at the centre, the branch centre receives money for.

It is a weird set up and most people think that all RSPCA shelters are swimming in cash, when in fact most are struggling with the same pressures as most charities as they don't get the funding from the main RSPCA HQ. Who ARE swimming in cash but constantly spaff it up the wall IMO.

Not sure what the situation is now but we used to have to ask people to write donations by cheque out to the specific branch because if they just put RSPCA, that cheque and money would go to central coffers and not to the local branch they had wanted it to go to in the first place.

So if someone wanted to donate £100 to York RSPCA by cheque, if they didn't put York RSPCA on the cheque and just put RSPCA, then York would see none of it. Sad because a lot of cheques came through the post with just RSPCA on it and couldn't be changed.

[normal rules]

The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.

RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction.  A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.

Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.

Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. 

The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.

Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.

I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.

In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.

Don’t assume my comment to be a slur. I have worked on a number of joint agency jobs with the rspca, puppy farms etc, excessive pet ownership/ neglect.
My comment about “don’t hold breath” is that they don’t have the resources to deal with many areas of animal cruelty, so much so, that most offences go un investigated and un detected.
Puppy farms is an example in case. New laws were brought out about having have a licence yet there are many many people out there still profiting from the sale of popular fashion pets such as french bulldogs etc.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

The rspca would be the prosecuting agency in this matter.
Don’t hold your breath.

RSPCA is a charity with a set amount of resources, therefore it has to be selective about which cases it proceeds with and what the likely outcome would be of a conviction.  A conviction in this case from experience would be a ban from keeping animals (which isn't enforceable) and a fine.

Funny how i tar the NHS and Police with same brush for being useless and get put right by people who have worked in the NHS or Police but yet you are doing the same thing here with the RSPCA.

Having worked for the RSPCA for about 15 years and knowing some amazing people, including inspectors - this is one area where i can say that i know best. 

The only issue with the RSPCA, like with the NHS is bloated and poor management and wasting of resources at the top level. The animal care staff and inspectors and collection officers by and large are fantastic.

Also. Most people don't know that most RSPCA shelters do not get given any funding by the RSPCA. So for example Bawtry is technically a private charity that uses the RSPCA name and therefore the RSPCA can use their facilities. The RSPCA doesn't give RSPCA Bawtry any money at all as it is branch run and therefore a separate entity. Most centres in the UK are branch run and generate all their own money without any help from HQ.

I worked at HQ owned RSPCA shelter and the difference is amazing and you can tell where the money goes.

In contrast, anyone who ever visited the old RSPCA Sheffield on Spring Street, one of the centres i used to work at, will see just how little money and resources they had to work with.

Don’t assume my comment to be a slur. I have worked on a number of joint agency jobs with the rspca, puppy farms etc, excessive pet ownership/ neglect.
My comment about “don’t hold breath” is that they don’t have the resources to deal with many areas of animal cruelty, so much so, that most offences go un investigated and un detected.
Puppy farms is an example in case. New laws were brought out about having have a licence yet there are many many people out there still profiting from the sale of popular fashion pets such as french bulldogs etc.

Yep. No probs NR.

The issue with puppy farms are the dumb tw*ts perpetuating them by buying puppies from breeders. All breeders are doing is making money out of animal abuse.

The issue with animal cruelty cases is the sentencing is too weak and unenforceable. I've seen some horrendous sights, had to assist in the euthanasia of some beautiful dogs simply because of the way they had been treated or raised.

There was one case where some terriers were seized because they were used in badger baiting. They had to be kept in kennels for nearly 3 years, which isn't the best environment for their wellbeing and stress levels. The sad thing was that under the law they could never be rehomed due to their history of ripping other animals to shreds and they were always going to have to be put to sleep.

However, the defendant kept stalling and not turning up to court hearings and cancelling hearings and refuting allegations and drew it out for as long as they could. Meanwhile, these poor dogs, who were beautiful, friendly to humans animals which i had doted on for 3 years and did as much as i could had to stay in this stressful environment for 3 years and eventually, when the case was brought , the dogs were ordered to be destroyed anyway.

Euthanasia is horrible, especially when you are present but the most humane thing for these dogs was to euthanise them straight away instead of making them spend 3 years inside rescue kennels, which are very, very stressful environments for dogs.

I cried for weeks about that and i'm a big meathead of a bloke. If Kurt Zouma had a heart attack today and died. I'd crack open a bottle and celebrate. After getting home from the Ipswich game obviously.

Yep, some real pieces of shit out there.

Thing is if someone gets a ban for 5 years from keeping animals. They just go and get more animals and nobody knows because they aren't checked. So it's pointless. Any fines will be paid in weekly instalments of 50p.

There really is no deterrent as prison sentences are rarely given for animal cruelty.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

You get dumb asses who buy Akita or Husky pups because they are lovely, fluffy and cute and then a year or so down the line, these pups are now f**king huge and because these thickos know nothing about dogs or dog behaviour, these dogs now have significant behavioural issues that they don't know how to deal with.

Then the phone call comes to animal rescue charities:

'Hi. I've got this Japanese Akita and it has started growling at my little kid and ripping the furniture up and barking at home when we leave it for 10 hours a day - can you take it off us because we are that f**king stupid and we should have been forced to undertake a dog behaviour course BEFORE adopting a puppy because we have no brain cells'.

Then the rescue centre has to spend so much time trying to iron out these behaviours, which in a kennel setting isn't easy, otherwise finding a home becomes extremely problematic.

Then you get the morons who come to the shelter and see a Rotty or Akita and immediately want it because it's a big dog and it makes them look hard and they have no experience with large dogs, let alone dogs with deep rooted behavioural issues.

Then my job is to try and put these numbskulls off as best i can without getting a barrage of abuse.

I guess working in this environment for a long time now has contributed to my misanthropic attitude to life these days. 

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You only have to look at the list of celebs who own french bulldogs to see how people are influenced into thinking these are the pets to have.
For many, they are nothing more than a fashion accessory. Like a bling watch or handbag.

They are f**king ugly things too,

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

I know. Giving them trendy made up names too. Like DORGI, which is a cross between a Corgi and  Daschund i think?

NO IT'S NOT!! IT'S A CORGI CROSS!! NOT A f**kING DORGI YOU DUMBARSES!!

Cockapoo? No such thing. It's a Poodle Cross. It is a cross breed but people want to make it even more special.

Its a dog. Its special anyway regardless. Stop using them as fashion accessories and get a life.

[Donnywolf]

Who was filming by the way.
I didn’t hear anyone protesting so they must have been happy for it to happen.

His brother who can be heard laughing .... who then posted it on Social Media

[normal rules]

When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?

Indeed NR.

I have heard the phrase that people who claim to dislike humans are misanthropes but people who claim to dislike both humans AND animals are psychopaths.

[Axholme Lion]

Wet Spam should sack him and he should be prosecuted. SCUM.

[Donnywolf]

When agencies deal with victims of domestic violence, one of the questions asked about previous incidents or character of the perpetrators is any previous violence to pets or animals.
There are very well documented links between cruelty to animals and violence to people.
If he is happy to slap his cat around, I wonder how he treats his partner?

That probably IS the cat 

[River Don]

You only have to look at the list of celebs who own french bulldogs to see how people are influenced into thinking these are the pets to have.
For many, they are nothing more than a fashion accessory. Like a bling watch or handbag.

They are f**king ugly things too,

I quite like French bulldogs. They are very definitely a fashion accessory at the moment though.

Our two cats are getting on, owt happens to them and I might fancy a dog again. I imagine the animal centres get a lot of French bulldogs in now, I'd consider rehoming one.

[River Don]

I've only just seen the cat footage. Disgusting.

If I were a West Ham player, I'd be telling the club I wouldn't play with him.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

His brother who was recording plays for Dagenham.

Awful. Pair of them.

[glosterred]

His brother who was recording plays for Dagenham.

Awful. Pair of them.

One may be sacked, one won’t


COYR

[normal rules]

£29.8 million. And he kicks his cat.
I can imagine some of the chants now.

[glosterred]

£29.8 million. And he kicks his cat.
I can imagine some of the chants now.

Kitty kicker?

[River Don]

West Ham are starting him tonight apparently.

I think that decision will reflect badly on the club.

[normal rules]

Kurts cat gets battered, everywhere it goes……..
Kurts cat gets battered, everywhere it goes……