Elections

[danumdon]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

[BillyStubbsTears]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

So...how exactly is it the Council's fault?

[Filo]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

The SoS orders Doncaster Council to grant planning, they had no choice after the SoS overturned it, you are creating a story of fiction to justify your dislike of Labour and Doncaster Council

[danumdon]

Ahem , https://www.pressreader.com/uk/yorkshire-post/20110613/281934539562888

Feel free to pay attention to the bit that points out DMBC turned it down twice , before being overruled by ministers

The article from the Yorkshire Press is not the full story, it does not preface the fact that at plenty of stages before it had to grant permission they could of stopped this development on many differing grounds, some are mentioned in the copy, others are not, for example it mentions that the Lincoln line has 3 trains an hour, i live backing onto the Lincoln line and can tell you that freight trains now run on that line all day and night (ever since the GNGE upgrades on the line)

They also could of stopped it in its tracks previously when Persimmon first brought the site as it was a protected area of ancient woodland and marsh, this they allowed to set aside for the development.

The fact that it also floods, regularly is something that prospective owners will find out about in due course with obvious massive implications for house insurance. They have tried to raise the ground levels here but i doubt the job has been done sufficiently. If you asked me a house on certain parts of this estate will be worthless in the near future if current environmental predictions are confirmed.

Still back to the point, Donny Council had years to knock the developers back many times and either incompetence or other considerations prevailed,

Did i vote, what do you think.

Doncaster Council blocked planning

A Tory secretary of State overturned that decision 

Your not reading between the lines,

Persimmon bought the land years ago, its name gives you a clue, it was a Farm as in farmland, but most of the southern end was ancient woodland and marsh and had protections on it, the fact that Doncaster Council blocked it however many times makes no difference, they had it in their power to not change the land status to allow it to be developed for housing but they chose for whatever reason you may wish to apply to this situation to go ahead and do so. This then gave the developer the power to take it to the highest court and to subsequently be granted approval. The fact that it was a Tory Minister in this instance would of made no difference.

Why was the land designation allowed to be changed, who stood to gain from this amendment, what did they gain?

If Donny Council wished this not to be the case then why did this happen?

[Filo]

Ahem , https://www.pressreader.com/uk/yorkshire-post/20110613/281934539562888

Feel free to pay attention to the bit that points out DMBC turned it down twice , before being overruled by ministers

The article from the Yorkshire Press is not the full story, it does not preface the fact that at plenty of stages before it had to grant permission they could of stopped this development on many differing grounds, some are mentioned in the copy, others are not, for example it mentions that the Lincoln line has 3 trains an hour, i live backing onto the Lincoln line and can tell you that freight trains now run on that line all day and night (ever since the GNGE upgrades on the line)

They also could of stopped it in its tracks previously when Persimmon first brought the site as it was a protected area of ancient woodland and marsh, this they allowed to set aside for the development.

The fact that it also floods, regularly is something that prospective owners will find out about in due course with obvious massive implications for house insurance. They have tried to raise the ground levels here but i doubt the job has been done sufficiently. If you asked me a house on certain parts of this estate will be worthless in the near future if current environmental predictions are confirmed.

Still back to the point, Donny Council had years to knock the developers back many times and either incompetence or other considerations prevailed,

Did i vote, what do you think.

Doncaster Council blocked planning

A Tory secretary of State overturned that decision 

Your not reading between the lines,

Persimmon bought the land years ago, its name gives you a clue, it was a Farm as in farmland, but most of the southern end was ancient woodland and marsh and had protections on it, the fact that Doncaster Council blocked it however many times makes no difference, they had it in their power to not change the land status to allow it to be developed for housing but they chose for whatever reason you may wish to apply to this situation to go ahead and do so. This then gave the developer the power to take it to the highest court and to subsequently be granted approval. The fact that it was a Tory Minister in this instance would of made no difference.

Why was the land designation allowed to be changed, who stood to gain from this amendment, what did they gain?

If Donny Council wished this not to be the case then why did this happen?

Tory’s relaxed planning rules

[wilts rover]

It makes you wonder what pressure might have been brought to bear to have the Secretary of State overule a local council planning decision in favour of the developer?

In other news 20% of donations to the Tory Party are from the property sector:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/20-tory-donations-come-property-tycoons/

[danumdon]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

The SoS orders Doncaster Council to grant planning, they had no choice after the SoS overturned it, you are creating a story of fiction to justify your dislike of Labour and Doncaster Council

Is it fiction to say that farmland cannot have residential development unless the land designation has been changed, would the council have had the power to not grant that change of designation? were the council forced by the developer to allow the change?

Would i need to dislike Labour or Donny council if i suspected that ulterior motives may be in play?

Which bit is fiction?

[Filo]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

The SoS orders Doncaster Council to grant planning, they had no choice after the SoS overturned it, you are creating a story of fiction to justify your dislike of Labour and Doncaster Council

Is it fiction to say that farmland cannot have residential development unless the land designation has been changed, would the council have had the power to not grant that change of designation? were the council forced by the developer to allow the change?

Would i need to dislike Labour or Donny council if i suspected that ulterior motives may be in play?

Which bit is fiction?

You’ve gone all the way from Doncaster Council appealed their own decision down to you suspect ulterior motives were at play despite the fact that it was the SOS decision, I’m not sure how many times that has to be repeated to you

[danumdon]

Ahem , https://www.pressreader.com/uk/yorkshire-post/20110613/281934539562888

Feel free to pay attention to the bit that points out DMBC turned it down twice , before being overruled by ministers

The article from the Yorkshire Press is not the full story, it does not preface the fact that at plenty of stages before it had to grant permission they could of stopped this development on many differing grounds, some are mentioned in the copy, others are not, for example it mentions that the Lincoln line has 3 trains an hour, i live backing onto the Lincoln line and can tell you that freight trains now run on that line all day and night (ever since the GNGE upgrades on the line)

They also could of stopped it in its tracks previously when Persimmon first brought the site as it was a protected area of ancient woodland and marsh, this they allowed to set aside for the development.

The fact that it also floods, regularly is something that prospective owners will find out about in due course with obvious massive implications for house insurance. They have tried to raise the ground levels here but i doubt the job has been done sufficiently. If you asked me a house on certain parts of this estate will be worthless in the near future if current environmental predictions are confirmed.

Still back to the point, Donny Council had years to knock the developers back many times and either incompetence or other considerations prevailed,

Did i vote, what do you think.

Doncaster Council blocked planning

A Tory secretary of State overturned that decision 

Your not reading between the lines,

Persimmon bought the land years ago, its name gives you a clue, it was a Farm as in farmland, but most of the southern end was ancient woodland and marsh and had protections on it, the fact that Doncaster Council blocked it however many times makes no difference, they had it in their power to not change the land status to allow it to be developed for housing but they chose for whatever reason you may wish to apply to this situation to go ahead and do so. This then gave the developer the power to take it to the highest court and to subsequently be granted approval. The fact that it was a Tory Minister in this instance would of made no difference.

Why was the land designation allowed to be changed, who stood to gain from this amendment, what did they gain?

If Donny Council wished this not to be the case then why did this happen?

Tory’s relaxed planning rules

Care to back that up with evidence or are we to accuse you of what you accused me of?

[danumdon]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

The SoS orders Doncaster Council to grant planning, they had no choice after the SoS overturned it, you are creating a story of fiction to justify your dislike of Labour and Doncaster Council

Is it fiction to say that farmland cannot have residential development unless the land designation has been changed, would the council have had the power to not grant that change of designation? were the council forced by the developer to allow the change?

Would i need to dislike Labour or Donny council if i suspected that ulterior motives may be in play?

Which bit is fiction?

You’ve gone all the way from Doncaster Council appealed their own decision down to you suspect ulterior motives were at play despite the fact that it was the SOS decision, I’m not sure how many times that has to be repeated to you

So you did your bit of grandstanding whilst conveniently ignoring and not answering the question, clever.

[wilts rover]

when it came to the vote, The whole council(predominantly Labour) decided it would grant permission

I'm still not getting this. If this is the case, why was there any need for an appeal and who appealed?

After the SOS gave the go ahead the local council would of had to rubber stamp this decision in the chamber, is my understanding.

The SoS orders Doncaster Council to grant planning, they had no choice after the SoS overturned it, you are creating a story of fiction to justify your dislike of Labour and Doncaster Council

Is it fiction to say that farmland cannot have residential development unless the land designation has been changed, would the council have had the power to not grant that change of designation? were the council forced by the developer to allow the change?

Would i need to dislike Labour or Donny council if i suspected that ulterior motives may be in play?

Which bit is fiction?

Dunno, have a read of this and see what you think.

https://rangewell.com/article/new-planning-laws-automatic-planning-permission-and-what-they-could-mean-to-you

This may be the importatnt para:

Now, under the government's new rules, councils will be blocked from denying planning permission in areas designated for growth in a bid to speed up development.

[danumdon]

Putting aside the fact that this is a policy that is being pushed by the Johnson government so a few years after the event and not in statute at the time of this issue.

One thing that could be important i thought was this paragraph,

"Green belt and areas of outstanding natural beauty would be protected, but councils will be also be told to push through plans on land marked for renewal"

So if something along these lines was in place at the time then that could of been used to force through this type of development. I'm not sure if that was the case with Manor Farm, would of course depend if the council had already earmarked this location into that type of a designation.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Back to today's elections. Fascinating how many  Conservative council candidates have called themselves Local Conservatives to distance themselves from the toxicity of the Govt.

And yet...

Johnson won the Tory leadership vote (voted for by "local" conservative party members up and down the country) by a landslide only 3 years ago.

You reckon they have buyers' regret?

[River Don]

The Wandsworth LOCAL conservatives have even had their publicity printed in green not blue.

[SydneyRover]

this is extraordinary

''Rutland Conservatives quit party
The next elections for Rutland County Council won't take place until May 2023. But the Conservatives there have suffered a blow tonight with the resignation of council leader Oliver Hemsley and several other Tory councillors.

In a statement, Mr Hemsley says he intends to carry on leading a minority administration as an independent. He says the council has been ignored by the government on funding''

bbc

[River Don]

This is a turn up.

John Curtice has told told the BBC that initial results, mostly from Sunderland and London, have shown a swing of 1% from Labour to the Conservatives.

This may mean that “Labour are not going to make much progress in Leave-voting provincial England, even though they are up on their performance last year,” he said.

[Donnywolf]

As usual in Local Elections and By Elections everyone has won

Jenrick just said " this is not such a bad result for Tories , and will be more disappointing to Labour"

Then in an amazing statement he said he feared for the Voters of Westminster and Wandsworth as Tories have the lowest Council taxes (traditionally) and he feared that Labour would put them up now they are in power

That despite "those same voters" being the ones that elected the officials democratically. So it is them that have chosen where their vote goes and not for him to fear for them

As I say ... Everyone has won

[drfchound]

Isn’t that always the case JT.
Councillors and politicians put more spin on their post election comments than anything else.

[River Don]

I think this has to be concerning for Starmer.

While voters have been punishing the Tories, they aren't really getting behind Labour. The Lib Dems and Greens aren't doing at all badly.

If the Labour party hopes to win a general election, then I think they need to be seeing a more decisive swing to them.

[Ldr]

They need Rayner as leader RD, Starmers smarminess puts ppl off, I know, I’m one of them. Rayner I could support, like the directness

[BillyStubbsTears]

The results in so far, in terms of vote share, more or less match what the polls are telling us.

Not good enough for the Tories to get Johnson out of trouble. Not bad enough to be terminal.

Not good for Labour to think they are cruising. Not bad enough to prompt anyone to challenge Starmer.

Johnson may well have survived. Big question now is, do the Met have any more Partygate fines?

[selby]

  Labour could be on a spiral down in the midlands and north of England as new houses are built in traditional labour areas for aspirational young home owners no longer indoctrinated in a labour up bringing.
  The Cities are now the labour hopes as especially London are over come by immigrants and ethnic minorities dependant on social hand outs, but face a challenge from the middle class in the South and  midlands of England that now have rising costs when they were happy to stretch their expenditure on dept to drive up property prices they gained from and have not in many cases lived within their means and borrowed money they have not got.
  Its the third time I have lived through the same scenario when banks have lent out lots of cheap money only to raise interest rates to make lots of dosh, and this will be the biggest hit of them all.

[SydneyRover]

How will all this pan out with a 10% inflation rate and the threat of recession selby?

[River Don]

It's going to depend on how bad this recession gets and I'm afraid its not looking good.

The war in Ukraine looks to be ongoing, which is going to have lots of negative impacts on the global economy.  The energy price rises here in October will be shocking. As things slowdown unemployment will eventually start to rise. The housing market will finally begin to cool.

Who knows what all this will do to the political landscape in the UK.

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, all the shop shelves will be empty from Brexit, and we'll all be dead from Covid anyway, so when Russia drops its nuclear bomb on us a recession won't matter will it?

[SydneyRover]

little bit testy bb, so unlike you

[wilts rover]

It's not going to get any better for the Tories in the immediate future - and will Johnson want to fight a GE after/during an economic recession?

Snap election coming up later this year maybe?

[SydneyRover]

I'm not sure these results combined with the current economics would give even johnson the confidence to go early, unless he figures a political world without him is not worth having.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's not going to get any better for the Tories in the immediate future - and will Johnson want to fight a GE after/during an economic recession?

Snap election coming up later this year maybe?

Actually I think it will, they've got levers they can pull (if they choose to) and the covid parties stories will disappear or the pm will resign, tricky for labour if Starmer found to have breached rules too, but for the next GE quite a way off.

The summary from BST is very fair, no winners or major loses really. It could have been better or worse for all of them.  I'd say the Tories are at a low point and it's hard to see that decreasing further and labour should be happy that they have alot of growth left to go at with their vote.  Thought the London mayor made a good point that they shouldn't just rely on the other side being bad.

As ever the lib Dems do well in these middle of cycle elections.  The Tories should fear them not labour.

[glosterred]

It might have been a poor election for the conservatives but it wasn’t particularly good for Labour. Both the Lib Dems and the Greens gain more seats than they did.