Will Starmer be "fine" or "fined" ?

[mugnapper]

Unsubstantiatied rumour

https://twitter.com/d5_rss/status/1544240775311106049?s=21&t=n4D8Un8QvDxOHGgAHHcwMQ

A bit of Tory 'Look over there, look over there' following Johnson's latest lie exposure
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-informed-of-investigation-into-chris-pincher-in-2019-downing-street-confirms-12646002

[phil old leake]

Syd that KS has got a ticket

[drfchound]

KS has a habit of lying though.
Didn’t he say he would restore socialist values to the LP when he became leader?
Well that hasn’t happened so he lied at the start of his tenure.

Also, after his announcement that he won’t push for a return to the EU if he were to become PM I wonder what Remainer Labour supporters will think about voting for him in 2024.

[albie]

If he has taken out a super injunction to prevent press coverage of his fine, then that is regrettable.
The press should be free to report the situation as it stands, without prejudice to any appeal process.

This is a very bad move if true, because he will be roasted once the truth emerges.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If he has taken out a super injunction to prevent press coverage of his fine, then that is regrettable.
The press should be free to report the situation as it stands, without prejudice to any appeal process.

This is a very bad move if true, because he will be roasted once the truth emerges.

The keyword being "if". The only evidence of that to date being a gobshite far right shock jock on a far right propaganda outlet.

Here's a thought. Maybe he's going to be exonerated and it is in some people's interests to be able to say "Yeah, but he WAS found guilty originally, but he appealed and because there was a super-injunction, you'll never get to hear about it."

I have no idea what is happening, but I wouldn't trust Mark Steyn to tell me what colour the sky was.

[drfchound]

I think albie has touched a nerve there.

[albie]

BST,

If you think I take info from a right wing ranter, you are sadly mistaken.
Proof...no, but considerable speculation from much more reliable sources than the one you mention.

Wait and see, eh!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

But I'd imagine labour would deny it if not true, which seems slightly odd.

[wilts rover]

BST,

If you think I take info from a right wing ranter, you are sadly mistaken.
Proof...no, but considerable speculation from much more reliable sources than the one you mention.

Wait and see, eh!

Guido Fawkes says there is no injunction and as he is based in Ireland, beyond UK courts jurisdiction, he's not going to fail to report it is he:

https://order-order.com/2022/07/05/about-starmers-durham-injunction/

Might be fined, might not be fined, it doesnt really bother me - but why make stuff up?

[albie]

Tony Diver, the Whitehall editor of the Telegraph, tweeted about this earlier, then deleted the tweet.

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/07/05/exclusive-starmer-fails-to-deny-he-has-accepted-fine-but-team-planning-ill-go-if-johnson-goes-line/#comments

If it is not true, then Labour (and Raynor and Starmer personally) should just say so, on the record.
Letting it run on social media seems to me inept, and creating further doubt and confusion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Skwakbox.

Heaven help us. The far Left's Poundland Fox News.

[drfchound]

Divisions in the LP still very obvious then.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tony Diver, the Whitehall editor of the Telegraph, tweeted about this earlier, then deleted the tweet.

https://skwawkbox.org/2022/07/05/exclusive-starmer-fails-to-deny-he-has-accepted-fine-but-team-planning-ill-go-if-johnson-goes-line/#comments

If it is not true, then Labour (and Raynor and Starmer personally) should just say so, on the record.
Letting it run on social media seems to me inept, and creating further doubt and confusion.

Albie.

Have you actually read that Skwakbox piece?

This "Starmer refuses to deny...!!!" piece?

Have you read the core of the story? Which amounts to "I, an obscure obsessive with a determination to be a far Left Guido, but little talent for it, texted Starmer and asked him if the rumour spread by a far right gobshite shock jock was true.

"And...he...didn't...reply."

[albie]

Of course I read it, BST.

The tweet from Telegraph lobby journalist was retweeted before deletion, by Owen Jones of the Guardian amongst others.

If Starmer has changed to "I will resign if Boris does", then that is a matter of public interest.
Why would you not close down social media discussion with a simple clarification?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ah yes. The fount of balanced wisdom, Owen Jones.

[Bentley Bullet]

Balanced wisdom?

That's bloody brilliant coming from thee! 

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1545370332260978688

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's that whole ridiculous nonsense put to bed then.

[SydneyRover]

tissues and whisky for bb

[SydneyRover]

what did the 'not one for predicting' say about starmer and beergate?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1545358083127496705

Only one poll but it's broadly in line with recent averages.

And yes, there might be a bounce when the new PM takes over.

Or there might not. I'm not seeing any bright new hopes among the ranks.

And there's a very serious threat to the Tories in those numbers. The LDs are coming back quite strongly. They are now regularly at 13-15% in the polls. And if that gets concentrated in Tory-LD marginals, it could easily be enough to take 30 seats off the Tories.

[Bentley Bullet]

"Reasonably necessary work". What a load of boll0cks.

Different constabulary, different outcomes.

Postcode lottery at its best.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I know it hurts BB.

Have you tried a cup of sugary tea?

[Filo]

"Reasonably necessary work". What a load of boll0cks.

Different constabulary, different outcomes.

Postcode lottery at its best.

Perhaps Johnson should have had his law breaking party’s in Durham lol!

[Bentley Bullet]

You're confusing me with yourself Billy boy. You see, I accept outcomes whether I agree with them or not. Even outrageous ones like Starmer getting off with Beer gate. As far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

[MachoMadness]

You're confusing me with yourself Billy boy. You see, I accept outcomes whether I agree with them or not. Even outrageous ones like Starmer getting off with Beer gate. As far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

You're confusing me with yourself Billy boy. You see, I accept outcomes whether I agree with them or not. Even outrageous ones like Starmer getting off with Beer gate. As far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

Everybody can see how much you accept outcomes. It's the 'what a load of b*llocks' that's the convincing part.

[Bentley Bullet]

Mr Wiggerly, I accept the decision that it is reasonable and necessary to have alcohol and take-away at work even during a pandemic.

Do you?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Mr Wiggerly, I accept the decision that it is reasonable and necessary to have alcohol and take-away at work even during a pandemic.

Do you?

I left it to the people who know the law to make that decision. I accepted that decision. You called it a load of b*llocks. That speaks for itself. You didn't accept it. Own your own words.

[Colemans Left Hook]

"Reasonably necessary work". What a load of boll0cks.

Different constabulary, different outcomes.

Postcode lottery at its best.

Perhaps Johnson should have had his law breaking party’s in Durham lol!

Durham Jail ?

I remember seeing that video and you could see the door in the room Starmer was in was open and there were 2 blokes having a conversation in the NARROW corridor one was "eating "one handed" literally "for England" ( he was so determined to eat everything on the plate he held in his other hand - the other bloke had no food. If you watch the video someone not the thinest of people HAS TO SQUEEZE PAST HIM   so someone was negligent in not warning his staff to social distance to reasonable levels

 Starmer if he stopped "swigging" for a minute could see they were blocking the corridor   and quite possibly their action was breaking covac rules (whatever tht means)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10760967/Video-shows-Keir-Starmer-chatting-beer-indoor-socialising-banned-Covid-law.html

even Sta